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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #630 on: December 24, 2007, 04:17:11 PM »
Fantastic gig, enough said I think. The guys were just a bit tired (why ?^^) and musically and technically speaking I know they can be better but who cares for a show like this one ?

I made a few wallpapers with great pics. Thanks to the guys who took them !

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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #631 on: December 25, 2007, 04:59:32 AM »
I tought he surprise would be bigger, I mean, the only real suprise would be blood of kingu with Mats. but great anyway, and lucky people the europeans are. :wink:

and the "all Therion" picture is AWESOME (just Katarina's missing :roll:)

QUESTION: was it played the Lemuria version with flute at this tour? (as I read it on the news)
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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #632 on: December 25, 2007, 12:52:10 PM »
I tought he surprise would be bigger, I mean, the only real suprise would be blood of kingu with Mats. but great anyway, and lucky people the europeans are. :wink:

QUESTION: was it played the Lemuria version with flute at this tour? (as I read it on the news)

You mean except that I was flying in Piotr who was not supposed to be there (for my private money actually budget was already used) and thus had Mats, Messiah and Piotr standing on stage together for the only time ever?  :wink:

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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #633 on: December 25, 2007, 03:15:09 PM »
This will be ending the conversation from my end.

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Do you really think Lori might be able to sing Der Hölle Rache? I'll belive it once I hear it .

That's the type of role her voice fits really good to, so congratulations making a fool out of our self (again). She even did it live before with with Aesma Daeva as far as I remember. I think there's live shots on You Tube with them performing it with their previous singer Melissa, which is not as good as Lori.

She also did a great job with Irene in Rienzi when we performed it in Hungary even though it's not a perfect role for her (which will be heard on the DVD next year). Way better than the more famous soprano in Bucharest did and she was also better than the the mezzos doing Adriano.


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Don't know if she could get famous being a professional opera soprano, as there are plenty of better singers (at the moment) than her.

What kind of moron comment is that??

For a start, you can be good without being famous and there are famous people that don't live up to their reputation. Secondly, why would it matter if there's others that are better? Kristian is probably not top 100 in the world, yet he's without doubt a DAMN good guitar player. Is he not worth paying for seing live just because Malmsteen, Uli Roth, Steve Vai and the rest of the hall of fame in great guitarists is above him? Wouldn't be many bands left on the planet worth you money then it seems...
Furthermore the vast majority of opera houses are performing your beloved schlager music with singers that are way below the worlds singing elite. For a couple of years the Royal Opera in Stockholm had many "terrible" singers and I've worked with people from several German opera houses on the records and even though I found them good, they're no stars or world top 100 singers.
How can you stand listening to the Therion albums? No World Stars from the opera scene there either, so let's start making a list of great opera singers of our time that do other things sounding much better than those singing on the records - that's totally meaningful and will ultimately prove that Therion sucks in the studio too. Can't see how you managed to miss that.


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Obviously Lori doesn't have the depth and strength of a dramatic, such as Waltraud Meier, but that doesn't allow her to be "forgiven" because of that. If you sing a role that is not your tessitura, it's your problem, not the audience's.

Look, this is SO simple.
I've used a variety of different type of sopranos on the records over the years, lyrical, mezzo, dramatic and coloratura, also with different personal colours to it to fit each composition. Live we can not bring with us 4 different sopranos. If we did it would have been clearly announced. As it wasn't, it should be clear to anyone that somewone (Lori) would act as our Swiss army knife and do all these voices. Even alt voices like in Lemuria.
If you have a problem with this type of arrangement and if it's not good enough for you with one great allround singer, then it was clear already from the start and you should have staid home and given place to someone else who actually appreciate that we try to pull this difficult project together. We have announced what will be performed in advance, both who performs and what songs.
So it is actually YOUR problem if you choose to attend and expected an alien with 5 throats or dozens of various singers to perform, not Loris or mine.


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Why shouldn't I expect opera-like accuracy? In fact, I think I must ask for that. It's not my fault if the singers don't rest enough. I mean, I pay to hear a good performance, not to hear a bunch of tired metal players. 

Every opera house in Europe except in Paris* and Vienna* receives shit loads of money from the state to keep their thing going (maybe you'll learn more about that in he upcoming 10 months? :wink: ). As the tax payers don't pay any of our costs, we have to run things in accordance with the current laws of capitalism (meaning we have to pay for everything and thus do the best possible with the financial means at hand). I would gladly accept money from the tax payers to have paid rehearsals, get rediculous fees per show and have the state paying sometimes more than 50% of the ticket price for the fans attending the shows. Meanwhile, we have to do things the way rock bands run business.

* = Therefore you also pay 200 euro for a decent ticket there.

We perform nearly 3 hours with only a short pause. Even Götterdämmerung is "only" 3,5-4 hours of actual music depending on actual tempo and much of that is instrumental ad the rest is diveded by various roles roles. Our long set with loads of singing is very demanding and Lori has a voice of steel actually pulling this off. None of the more famous singers I've worked with would pull that off and you don't know anyone that for sure would do a better job in this circumstances either.

We do 16 of these mega shows in a row without a day off. This is in the official tour schedule where you saw the show you atanded. If if bothers you that we can not have a singer having 3 days of rest between all shows, simply stay home. If it bothers you that the band is possibly 95% instead of 100% due to the schedule - stay home.  Most bands are drinking alcohol and do crap shows once in a while due to partying, we stay sober and focused and deliver the best we can during each show in consideration of the circumstances, we don't even cancel shows when people are sick. If you think you know any other band doing what we do better, go and see them instead.


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I just want Therion to improve

Right, and by simply complaining that Lori is singing stuff written for 5 different type of female voices and not being able to be among the absolute top world league of  sopranos on the entire planet (or what ever you expected), we're actually learning SO much from you. Thank you Mr "I've listened to opera for 10 months".
I should probably stop playing the guitar then as well, I wouldn't make it to even top 1000. Not to mention how I play some parts written by others in a different style in my own way live to suit me better. Must be truely dissapointing to listen to. I'm sure you listenend to metal for a few years and must then be an expert of stunning  proportions considering how increadibly much you know about opera already and my misstreament of some of the songs must have been truely terrible for your most delicate expert ears.   :cry: 


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P.D: By the way, do you really "hate" Verdi and Puccini?

No, it's just not my cup of tea musically, except for some easy evening entertainment once in a while.. They did what they did good. Just like there's quality pop bands that do what they do very good. I don't see anything genious about them though, like I see with with for example Wagner.



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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #634 on: December 26, 2007, 06:26:11 AM »
Is tracklist for Budapest "Therion goes Classic" the same as in Bukurest ?


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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #635 on: December 26, 2007, 08:26:01 AM »
Is tracklist for Budapest "Therion goes Classic" the same as in Bukurest ?
That's not related to their anniversary tour.
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« Reply #636 on: December 26, 2007, 12:57:40 PM »
I don't know where to start ... so many things to report about Therion shows in Rennes & Paris !
In a word : MAGNIFICENT !

I'll post asap a full report with photos & videos from both show, but I'd like to say thank you to the band, this tour is a sublime gift ... I mean, not many bands tour twice a year for fans! and a 3 hours show, I've never seen that!

... musically, it was impressive,
... artistically, it was wonderfull,
... humanely, every member of the band is kind and open-minded,
... guitaristically, Kristian is so amazing, I love the way he plays!
... vocally, waououuhhh Thomas & Lori, you gave me shivers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
... Atmospherically (hope you understand), Snowy you rock!
... About surprises : agree with Chris, Mats, Messiah and Piotr, what a surprise!!!!! open you history book and check about Piotr, you'll know (a bit late) why it was so fantastic to see him back with Therion !!!!!

Christopher, don't waste your time with people who are not able to appraise the band at its true worth, most people know the amount of work and passion needed to tour & play like this, and we thank you, especially me ;)

And without waiting for the full report, here are some photos ... Chris, Kris, my young brother & me (Cédric) !




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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #637 on: December 26, 2007, 01:59:21 PM »
Glad you enjoyed the show.

I'd like to take this chance to thank the band for being around and giving these incredible shows. The Antwerp gig was without a doubt Gig of the year.

Up to another 20 years right ? :-D

Cheers to everyone of Therion and the crew!

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« Reply #638 on: December 26, 2007, 02:45:09 PM »
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« Reply #639 on: December 26, 2007, 03:13:11 PM »
wow... unbelieveable, I wish I were a Parisian, but now I will never see what was described as the best thing to have ever happened to Earth since it's creation

Oh and Chris, what impressed me as much as the awesome show is how the heck did you lot stay in shape so long, I mean 2 weeks or intense playing (and I don't mean cheap and easy club shows) without a day off, I mean that's unreal. If I were brave enough to wait outside the venue I would have asked that in person, but didn't, heh, still don't, deem myself worthy of such a feat again..


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« Reply #640 on: December 26, 2007, 05:34:32 PM »
I was in Paris and it was great, thanks to therion. Needless to say anything else.
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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #641 on: December 27, 2007, 04:06:41 AM »
I tought he surprise would be bigger, I mean, the only real suprise would be blood of kingu with Mats. but great anyway, and lucky people the europeans are. :wink:

QUESTION: was it played the Lemuria version with flute at this tour? (as I read it on the news)

You mean except that I was flying in Piotr who was not supposed to be there (for my private money actually budget was already used) and thus had Mats, Messiah and Piotr standing on stage together for the only time ever?  :wink:

I meant we knew Mats, Messiah and Piotr would be in the tour (in different shows), but of course it is a GREAT thing to have them together.  And maybe I didn't see it as a big surprise just because here in Chile and Southamerica we don't have an anniversary tour, or a tour with so wonderful scenography and guests like the one in europe (for totally understandable reasons), so it is hard for me to imaginate a better Therion show in Europe, 'cause the Adulruna Rediviva tour is almost perfect... I really aprecciate all the efforts in your schedule all along this year. So I don't complaint :wink: Therion is my favourite band and has the best live shows in metal music. 
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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #642 on: December 27, 2007, 05:22:24 AM »
OMG Great pics Thor, thanks for sharing :-D

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« Reply #643 on: December 27, 2007, 10:11:43 AM »
Tons of - quite poor quality - pics from Amsterdam http://www.flickr.com/photos/21370166@N06/
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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #644 on: December 27, 2007, 10:43:59 AM »
any video from Blood of kingu with mats? Even a crappy one?

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« Reply #645 on: December 27, 2007, 12:59:35 PM »
I guess I have a small part of it  ... I'll upload some videos this evening ! Mats did great like always, it was a pleasure to see him back ... I talked to him a the end the show and he's still on is solo project ... I'm impatient!
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« Reply #646 on: December 27, 2007, 03:44:50 PM »
Oh and Chris, what impressed me as much as the awesome show is how the heck did you lot stay in shape so long, I mean 2 weeks or intense playing (and I don't mean cheap and easy club shows) without a day off, I mean that's unreal. If I were brave enough to wait outside the venue I would have asked that in person, but didn't, heh, still don't, deem myself worthy of such a feat again..

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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #647 on: December 27, 2007, 04:47:37 PM »
because only Chris seems to drop by here once in a while, I'd ask everyone else but I wouldn't bother waiting for an answer, if you know what i mean

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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #648 on: December 27, 2007, 05:02:13 PM »
Kristian, Petter, Lori and Thomas also drop by here once in a while, but I think not that often as Chris. :wink:
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« Reply #649 on: December 27, 2007, 08:04:42 PM »
I've only noticed Kristian, and that was like, once.

Anyways, Paris vids people, come on

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« Reply #650 on: December 27, 2007, 10:41:31 PM »
Sorry, no vids, only pics:
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« Reply #651 on: December 28, 2007, 03:51:54 AM »
Nice pic of me there, Frenkie :)

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« Reply #652 on: December 28, 2007, 10:52:38 AM »
Indeed...

This guy uploaded some videos of the Paris show, just in case, http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=khayman22666

Enjoy

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« Reply #653 on: December 28, 2007, 07:20:02 PM »
It's a pity that these videos are too short. Does anyone have more? :-D

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« Reply #654 on: December 29, 2007, 02:48:53 AM »
Nice pics, is nice to see Mats again  :-D

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« Reply #655 on: December 30, 2007, 03:03:55 AM »
Mats just sang Blood Of Kingu? Didn't see him in Kali Yuga 2.

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« Reply #656 on: December 30, 2007, 04:52:39 AM »
ohh thats ok, Mats has solo projects too

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« Reply #657 on: December 30, 2007, 01:58:20 PM »
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Re: The Anniversary Celebration Tour??
« Reply #658 on: December 30, 2007, 07:21:46 PM »
Mats just sang Blood Of Kingu? Didn't see him in Kali Yuga 2.

he did sing on Kali Yuga 2 and on Adulruna Rediviva
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« Reply #659 on: December 30, 2007, 07:50:06 PM »
So he was out of focus here or appeared in some other part of the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUXL0iRf4F8

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