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Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« on: July 31, 2007, 09:24:09 PM »
Hi, I'm one of the Wikipedia editor and I'd like to request you for free Therion photos for the band article (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therion_%28band%29). We have only four images of Therion at this moment, 2 of them are very old (1989, 1992), one will be deleted soon because of policies (it's replaceable fair use image) and one looks very unencyclopedic, just look: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Therion_signature_event_2005.jpg.

Here is the little tutorial how to upload photos to Wikimedia Commons (repesitory of Wikipedia free images and multimedia files):
1. Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload and choose "Upload your own work"
2. The uploading form is very intuitive and simple, so I won't explain it. Remember to choose licensing.
3. Add [[Category:Therion]] at the end of Summary, so the image will be placed in Therion category (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Therion).

And that's it ;) Thanks very much for the effort.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2007, 09:46:48 PM by Visor »

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 09:29:03 PM »
I hope you keep the two older images, they're great!

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 09:39:59 PM »
I hope you keep the two older images, they're great!

These images are qualified under Fair Use license and they pass the first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a free image might not reasonably be found or created that adequately provides the same information, so don't worry about that ;)

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 10:26:55 PM »
No offence, but who the hell posted there the information about Clavicula Nox? It was published by me at this forum with the source of information (therion.metal.pl), while at Wikipedia there is a link to this forum, not to the site where this information was taken from...
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 10:37:12 PM »


It's also taken from my site, but I can't see there a name of guy who has taken this picture - J.W.W. Brunsman. Have you got his permission?
Sometimes it piss me off when I have to ask everybody for permission to use a various material at my site, and somebody publish it without any scruples, not asking the owners...
If you want to take anything from my site, you must ask authors! (as it's written at the main page) Otherwise, it's stealing.
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 11:21:03 PM »
No offence, but who the hell posted there the information about Clavicula Nox? It was published by me at this forum with the source of information (therion.metal.pl), while at Wikipedia there is a link to this forum, not to the site where this information was taken from...

The forum post gives a translation, so it had been chosen as a reference. The post contains a link to your website, so there is no point to do it again in Wikipedia reference. However, both websites (forum thread and your website) does NOT give a reference to the source of these informations, i.e. interview with T. Karlsson, so these informations are unverifiable at this moment and this reference needs to be replaced anyway.

It's also taken from my site, but I can't see there a name of guy who has taken this picture - J.W.W. Brunsman. Have you got his permission?
Sometimes it piss me off when I have to ask everybody for permission to use a various material at my site, and somebody publish it without any scruples, not asking the owners...
If you want to take anything from my site, you must ask authors! (as it's written at the main page) Otherwise, it's stealing.

Not exactly.

1. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:FU &
2. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Therion-live.jpg This image or media may fail Wikipedia's first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a free image might reasonably be found or created that adequately provides the same information. Unless it is determined to be un-replaceable, the image will be deleted after Tuesday, 31 July 2007.

Due to point #2, I've been deleted this image from the article before reading your post.

BTW don't off-topic please.
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2007, 12:30:32 AM »

The forum post gives a translation, so it had been chosen as a reference. The post contains a link to your website, so there is no point to do it again in Wikipedia reference. However, both websites (forum thread and your website) does NOT give a reference to the source of these informations, i.e. interview with T. Karlsson, so these informations are unverifiable at this moment and this reference needs to be replaced anyway.

It doesn't matter, it is only a translation. The main source is at therion.metal.pl, this is the place where it comes from. I've just translated it, so you should place a link where the original article is. It is the same think as - writing an essay - if you took a part of some German book translated into Polish in the Internet,  and wrote a note that it had been taken from http://booksinpolish.com... Would it be a good note? What about its original source, title of a book, the author, ha?
Honestly speaking, it's not a interview in a right meaning of this word - it's a part of inner material of Dragon Rouge that I've translated from German. I have a contact with some people from this organization and - what's the most important - permission to use some of their stuff for the needs of my site. You don't have such permission, as well as Wikipedia. I think it's obvious, and it doesn't matter there is no reference at my site. I know where it is from, and some people know that too - others don't have to possess such knowledge. Next time be careful and think twice before you "take" (yes, it's only the euphemism) something that doesn't belong to you.


1. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:FU &
2. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Therion-live.jpg This image or media may fail Wikipedia's first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a free image might reasonably be found or created that adequately provides the same information. Unless it is determined to be un-replaceable, the image will be deleted after Tuesday, 31 July 2007.

Please, don't force me to read all your inner stuff. There is something like law, and Wikipedia can only kiss authors' ass. I think that Mr. Brunsman could sue you at the court in Holland and your explanation wouldn't be too helpful for you. You would be accused according to Dutch law, not a law of Wikipedia.

Due to point #2, I've been deleted this image from the article before reading your post.

And I'm supposed to believe you? Naaah ;)

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care about pictures not taken by me, but you should respect the (copy)rights of other people. I know you want to do something good (in your opinion), but "cloning" and making copies of something what may be found somewhere else is just pointless.
Once again - respect the rights of others and don't place anything at Wikipedia without permission of the owners.
And remember, it's not a big problem to ask for permission or information about the original sources of things you want to use.
Cheers.
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2007, 05:48:22 AM »
@Thor: Ranting on this forum won't help you. Take it up with Wikipedia or notify the authors if you have issues.
Now carry on with the topic at hand.
Join the chat. It is a better place.

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2007, 12:42:24 PM »
I hope you keep the two older images, they're great!
Great indeed. And please skip Gothic Kabbalah promo picture! :wink:
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2007, 01:38:46 PM »
that shouldn't happen because i think there should be pictures showing the band's evolution, GK promos are a part of that evolution :wink:
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 08:06:29 PM »
@Thor:
(A short and my last response to your matter) Fair use is not an "inner [Wikipedia] stuff", but a "doctrine in US copyright law". Source of the photo WAS given (see backlog http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Image:Therion-live.jpg) and you have to believe me that I've suggested to delete this image before you have posted about possible copyvio. Evidence is in front of your eyes (see dates of posts).

If you have more issues or want to report a copyright violation, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us since I'm not a representative of Wikipedia community and I will not response for your complains.

@MissSwan:
Yes, that's exactly why I have created this thread. As you said, "there should be pictures showing the band's evolution", but I can't use promotional photos due to copyright issues and no permission from Nuclear Blast to use them. And I'm looking from free photos from you ;)

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2007, 08:57:49 PM »
ok, I understand, (thing is I always thought promo photos to be of free use, silly me ;D) well then you have my permission to use any of these photos if they are in any way suitable to the article:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Swan_Heart/Therion%20Goes%20Classic%20in%20Hungary/
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Swan_Heart/Therion%20in%20Athens/
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Swan_Heart/Therion%20Goes%20Classic/

they're not great, but if it helps be my guest :-)
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2007, 07:38:28 PM »
but I can't use promotional photos due to copyright issues
Fortunately... :-D
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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2007, 08:28:09 AM »
@Thor:
(A short and my last response to your matter) Fair use is not an "inner [Wikipedia] stuff", but a "doctrine in US copyright law". Source of the photo WAS given (see backlog http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Image:Therion-live.jpg) and you have to believe me that I've suggested to delete this image before you have posted about possible copyvio. Evidence is in front of your eyes (see dates of posts).

If you have more issues or want to report a copyright violation, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us since I'm not a representative of Wikipedia community and I will not response for your complains.

@MissSwan:
Yes, that's exactly why I have created this thread. As you said, "there should be pictures showing the band's evolution", but I can't use promotional photos due to copyright issues and no permission from Nuclear Blast to use them. And I'm looking from free photos from you ;)


Hi Visor

ask Nuclear Blast to get photos, they are very nice guys







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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2007, 08:30:12 PM »
If you want, you may use this logo, which i edit a few months ago ...

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2007, 09:30:08 AM »
i've taken pictures from wacken 2007 from first row. the pictures are little off oriented as the display of camera got broken :)

but you're free to use the pics if you want:
http://haarber.alkohol.ee/gallery/search.php?searchstring=therion

contact me directly if you want original size images.

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2007, 07:38:23 PM »
Thanks all for the effort. I will be in home soon [Monday] and then I will contact with you and answer for the questions.

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Re: Therion photos for Wikipedia needed
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2007, 02:22:32 PM »
Okay, here I am. Once again, thanks all for the photos. I haven't expect so many great & high quality photos. You can check all uploaded photos at Commons gallery: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Therion.

blake: I have already asked NB for the photos but didn't get any response :(

Amroth: I can't use this logo, because it's based on the copyrighted one. It hasn't got encyclopedic value since this is an edit. Thanks anyway.