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SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« on: August 22, 2007, 11:29:13 AM »
Hi there

Would you like to help me? I’m writing on my final paper which I need to finish my studies (for those of you familiar with the Swiss study-system (which won’t be that many, I guess  :wink: ), it’s my “Lizentiatsarbeit”). Part of my paper will focus on Therion’s SOTR and the song Ginnungagap in particular. But as it’s not my own opinion that is most important but yours – the fans’ –  I was wondering whether you would like to tell me your opinion about this subject?
Maybe I will have to say that I’m not an outside critic. I’m a metal-fan myself, although I must confess that, so far, I have not been specially interested in Therion and related bands (I used to like the style of NWOBH and now it’s rather progressive bands like dream theater or spock’s beard I’m in love with).
So, if you would like to share your opinion, can you say anything on the following questions?:

On Ginnungagap: What do you like about this song? Do you like it at all and why?
On SOTR: What do you like about this album? Is it a special album for you (compared to other Therion CDs) and why? Do you like the concept of the album?

Thank you very much for participating! If you'd like to know more about my project/paper, please just ask :-)

(To the admin: I am aware that this subject has already been discussed in parts, f.e. when talking about people’s favourite Therion album; but if people accept my invitation for the discussion, we might come to talk of it in more detail…)

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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 01:28:17 PM »
 I love the concept of SOTR though I'm a bit confused why they use song titles from the levels of the world tree yggdrasil (sp?) with a title about runes (obviously a tribute to Guido Von List). I suspect it relates to using the runes to trancend to alternate levels of conciousness and awareness which are symbolized in the nine levels of the world tree. Just guessing, that's the only thing that confuses me a bit.

 Ginungigap (sorry terrible with these spellings), I like the song. The symphonic parts seem to indicate a void. It has the feel of primordial chaos and void which goes along with it's concept, it has good heavy metal parts, awsome vocals at the end when they start speaking in Swedish. Only downside perhaps it sounds a bit different than the rest of the album.

 I like the use of Germanic languages and having a concept album. I like the style of SOTRS with folkish rythems (vanaheim for instance) and melodies. I like the way the symphony  was played and the use of a basic rock format with all opera vocals mixed very loud. The guitar solos are among my favorite of all albums. The drums were some of the best work in Therion exept for the recent Gothic Kabbalah. And they fit the music perfectly.
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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2007, 02:50:18 PM »
Secret of the Runes: the secret of the runes was discovered by Odin, since the album speaks about all of the worlds (gods, men, giants and whatever else), and the lyrics rely themselves on norse mythological history so to speak... so i do see a very strong connection between the title and the content of the album... and Secret of the Runes as a song serves its purpose very well in closing the album... I do like this album, it's probably my favourite after Gothic Kabbalah (yeah i like concept albums ;D )... the use of the symphony and classical voices is brilliant... it's probably the tightest Therion album concept wise and it represents a musical style all on its own... the concept is very appealing to me as i've always been interested in northern mythology so this album was a blessing for my ears :) it also contains some of the best songs Therion have ever done, and Ginnungagap is one of them

speaking of which, Ginnungagap: a great song, perfect opener for this album... it's heavy, it's catchy, it's partly in swedish, great choral and solo soprano vocals, it has an amazing rhythm, works perfect live... what more could we want ;D

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2007, 06:26:24 PM »

 The runes are Nordic and part of Nordic mythology. The nine worlds and the creation is part of Nordic mythology. Other than that don't see a connection. Odin is not even mentioned in the album.
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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 07:29:56 PM »
Hi folks,

The runes are Nordic and part of Nordic mythology. The nine worlds and the creation is part of Nordic mythology. Other than that don't see a connection. Odin is not even mentioned in the album.

Umm... read the lyrics of "Ginnungagap" (mentions Odin's work), "Midgard" (contains a call to Odin), "Asgard" (a song about the Asir in general and Odin in particular), "Schwarzalbenheim" (mentions Odin's ring), "Muspelheim" (mentions the Asir) and "Secret of the Runes" (calls Odin by at least two of his names, one of them being "Odin") and then write that again. ;)

What I like about "Ginnungagap"? The Swedish part - I like the sound of the language, especially in this context, and the mystery of a less common language - the references to mythology, the riffs and the melody. And yes, I consider SOTR a special album. Until GK I would have picked this one as my favourite if I had been forced to pick only one. I love the concept, the introduction to Nordic mythology it offers, the melodies and the folkish sound (heavy or ligt, just as needed), the booklet artwork, the wordplays and secret references (in "Ginnungagap", for instance).

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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 08:31:51 PM »
Hi folks,


Umm... read the lyrics of "Ginnungagap" (mentions Odin's work), "Midgard" (contains a call to Odin), "Asgard" (a song about the Asir in general and Odin in particular), "Schwarzalbenheim" (mentions Odin's ring), "Muspelheim" (mentions the Asir) and ...

What I do not like is that OFFICIAL LYRICS of Ginnungagap on Therions webpage:
- has typing errors (Yggorasil)
- omitted accents (kott is not really kött)

After that, any lyrics-something webpage contains the same errors as far I have searched.
PLEASE correct and accent YOUR texts on YOUR webpage.

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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2007, 10:23:27 PM »
Hi folks,

The runes are Nordic and part of Nordic mythology. The nine worlds and the creation is part of Nordic mythology. Other than that don't see a connection. Odin is not even mentioned in the album.

Umm... read the lyrics of "Ginnungagap" (mentions Odin's work), "Midgard" (contains a call to Odin), "Asgard" (a song about the Asir in general and Odin in particular), "Schwarzalbenheim" (mentions Odin's ring), "Muspelheim" (mentions the Asir) and "Secret of the Runes" (calls Odin by at least two of his names, one of them being "Odin") and then write that again. ;)

What I like about "Ginnungagap"? The Swedish part - I like the sound of the language, especially in this context, and the mystery of a less common language - the references to mythology, the riffs and the melody. And yes, I consider SOTR a special album. Until GK I would have picked this one as my favourite if I had been forced to pick only one. I love the concept, the introduction to Nordic mythology it offers, the melodies and the folkish sound (heavy or ligt, just as needed), the booklet artwork, the wordplays and secret references (in "Ginnungagap", for instance).

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yeah Markus said pretty much everything I could have said... before you make such amazingly dumb declarations, bother to read the lyrics of the songs from SotR ::)
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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 11:46:38 PM »
Maybe that would be helpful:

http://thor.megatherion.com/english/recsotr.htm

It's my review of SOTR, maybe you'll find it useful :)
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2007, 01:35:52 AM »
I just love SotR, one of my favorite Therion albums.
And Ginnungagap is the kicker, the grand opening, so naturally, it's one of my favorites from the album. :-D
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2007, 03:35:31 AM »
Maybe I'm a bit biased to talk about SOTR, since it was the very first Therion album that I listened. I liked the concept. The Nordic mythology, the nine worlds. Also, the swedish language in some songs (like Ginnungagap) sounds very nice.

About Ginnungagap - that song is very strong, and it's somewhat "raw", yet very well elaborated.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2007, 04:59:58 PM »
Hi folks,

The runes are Nordic and part of Nordic mythology. The nine worlds and the creation is part of Nordic mythology. Other than that don't see a connection. Odin is not even mentioned in the album.

Umm... read the lyrics of "Ginnungagap" (mentions Odin's work), "Midgard" (contains a call to Odin), "Asgard" (a song about the Asir in general and Odin in particular), "Schwarzalbenheim" (mentions Odin's ring), "Muspelheim" (mentions the Asir) and "Secret of the Runes" (calls Odin by at least two of his names, one of them being "Odin") and then write that again. ;)

What I like about "Ginnungagap"? The Swedish part - I like the sound of the language, especially in this context, and the mystery of a less common language - the references to mythology, the riffs and the melody. And yes, I consider SOTR a special album. Until GK I would have picked this one as my favourite if I had been forced to pick only one. I love the concept, the introduction to Nordic mythology it offers, the melodies and the folkish sound (heavy or ligt, just as needed), the booklet artwork, the wordplays and secret references (in "Ginnungagap", for instance).

Cheers!

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2007, 06:14:53 PM »
Thanks to everybody!! I'm really glad you let me know what you're thinking about the album/the song  :-) If anybody else wants to share his thoughts about it, please go on!  :wink:

about the title "secret of the runes" and the nine worlds: Despite the fact that Odin's mentioned in some songs, and particularly in the eleventh song, I still can see the problem blackrose has got in seeing the connection between the nine worlds and the runes. Maybe the solution to the problem can be found in Karlsson's Uthark upon which the album seems to draw. In chapter 3 Karlsson assigns to each of the nine worlds one specific rune that according to him has some spiritual/esoteric meaning. Maybe this is the link... I think it's hard to see the connection if you only look at the two Eddas (in which there are references to the nine worlds, it's true, but there is no mention of what kind of worlds they are exactly).

And Thor: thanks very much for your detailed review! I see what you mean, I've been listening to the album over an over again in the last few weeks and it's only now that a start to really appreciate its music...

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2007, 07:57:16 PM »
Well, what's the link between nine worlds and runes? If I'm not wrong, Odin achieved the knowledge of 18 runes when he came back from his journey (he'd been hanging on a tree for nine days). Of course, we know that the word "rune" not only means a letter (having esoteric abilities), but it also means a secret ("Secret of the secrets" - that we could translate the title of the album). So, claiming that Odin achieved the knowlegde of runes, we can say that he got a secret knowledge as well, a knowledge forbidden to mortals and other gods.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2007, 12:30:16 AM »


   Well, I find the Nordic myth,  and conception of the universe and the runes thingy quite facinating so that's why I like SOTR so much .


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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2007, 04:43:34 AM »
What I do not like is that OFFICIAL LYRICS of Ginnungagap on Therions webpage:
- has typing errors (Yggorasil)
- omitted accents (kott is not really kött)

After that, any lyrics-something webpage contains the same errors as far I have searched.
PLEASE correct and accent YOUR texts on YOUR webpage.
If you had taken the time to also write the title of the songs in which the errors occur, something could be done about it. I wouldn't feel like searching the lyrics for some errors if someone said they were there. Just say where the errors are, so something can be done about it and stop shouting. Preferably mail corrected texts to Ole Markus. This may not be a wiki, but you can definitely do somethnig to help out.
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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2007, 09:26:00 AM »
Hi Aluger,

about the title "secret of the runes" and the nine worlds: Despite the fact that Odin's mentioned in some songs, and particularly in the eleventh song, I still can see the problem blackrose has got in seeing the connection between the nine worlds and the runes.

The connection between the nine worlds and the runes in general is pretty obvious, but the connection between each world and the rune assigned to it on SOTR can be pretty mysterious indeed. I had a hard time figuring these out. :roll: I remember a very interesting discussion on this in the TS, and of course the solution can be found in the source you mention. :)

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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2007, 11:02:47 AM »
In my case, it was not love at first hearing and even today I cannot listen to it always.

What makes SOTR so special is the whole concept of it: thematically (well, except for the last two songs) and musically it is a perfect blend of classical and metal, of story/myth and music. If you didn’t have some previous knowledge about the Norse mythology, you need to invest some effort to learn to appreciate it fully, to find out what stands behind the titles and what the heck they are singing about. Well, one can say that for all Therion albums, but imo the choir used on SOTR gives it that extra something.

Otherwise (as I perceive it), rhythmically it is very, errr, even  – in sense that there are no big surprises like changes in the middle of a song or instrumental parts that stand out. But that's, together with the topic, what makes this album so compact, almost monolithic. Let me put it this way, if I were a dancer I would choose SOTR or Vovin for barre, and the last four albums for the actual dance. First discipline, than going wild.  :-)

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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2007, 08:14:03 AM »
Thanks again  :-)

May I add something here?:
As many of you mentioned the overall subject / the lyrics as an important part of the album, what about the fact that the lyrics were not written by an actual band member but by Karlsson? As Weinstein mentions in her well known book on heavy metal, “at least one member in a heavy metal band must know how to write and arrange songs. The code of the auteur in rock,…,has become obligatory for “real” rock musicians. True artists are supposed to create and play their own work, expressing their authentic selves” (page 62).

Do you care that most of the lyrics are not written by the band members themselves? Or do you feel that Karlsson is somehow part of the band?
Is Weinstein’s concept of authenticity really that important to metal bands?

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2007, 10:01:51 AM »
Hi Aluger,

to me, this concept of authenticity is important. Of course, in the end only the music matters, but I can enjoy it more when I know that the musicians are  presenting their own work. (As a sidenote: In classical music I see this given by the individual interpretation of a work.)

About Thomas's role in Therion much has been written already - somewhere in the depths of this forum. :) Well, he is a good friend of Christofer's, it was Chris who decided to let him write the lyrics, and I'm sure that Chris would also reject lyrics he doesn't like, so it's all a very fine example of authenticity to me.

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2007, 04:44:27 PM »
 Well perhaps it is part of the "secret" and mystery. I know there are many connections between runes and the world tree. But nowhere on the album is the connection really stated. Maybe I haven't studied the lyrics enough. It just seems to talk about the world tree to me.

About the other question, I think of Thomas as a band member. Sometimes I think that Therions lyrics are not genuine, they are not what the authors of the music feel or think. They write the music then lyrics are given. But the lyrics seems to go with the songs so well, it really works. Take Kali Yuga, the riffs at the start and the whole sound reminds me of chaos, destruction. Ljualfsheim I feel as though I'm being carried away by beutiful light elves just by the sound of the music itself. Maybe not on all the songs, but most of them the sound fits the lyrics. Thomas has a real gift for listening and hearing what the songs are saying. They work so closely together that it is like he is part of the band.

 Its a different thing when you take, say Kelly Clarkson. Some team of people make a beat. Some other guy writes some lyrics. She goes in and sings random lyrics over top of a random beat. That's not authentic to me. What therion does is.

 The only thing that may not be authentic is the singers. Singers should really feel the emotion of the music, moved by it. That's why usually the singer is the writer of the lyrics. They need to feel what the song is saying and convey that. This is the weakness of having many singers is that you can't do this so well. But there are so many more strengths that also come with having so many singers so it is a worthwhile trade. And it is more like classical where different performers perform the same piece. Yet these songs are new, unlike hundreds of year old classical pieces so it is harder for the performers to interpret and feel the songs as deeply as some classical performances. This is probably why Tarja is popular from Nightwish. Her opera singing is not as good as some others, but she puts the proper feeling into it with context to the music.

 Despite this, a lot of the lyrics have a lot of feeling. Lemuria for one. Perenial Sophia. Others probably would be better if the singers became one with the lyrics, understood them more, felt them more. There seems to be a lot of little places where it shows itself as a weakness though (especially with singers that aren't native speakers of the languages they sing). In wisdom and the cage, it seems like he says "I am locked when heavy chains" instead of "locked with heavy chains" there were some lyrical mistakes in Aldruna that were mentioned in TS that Chris clarified. I think there were some mistakes in Siren of the Woods too. Some of it is unavoidable when dealing with so many different languages and is not a big deal, but the emotion of the song could probably also be stronger in some cases. Though I think generally the singers of Therion enjoy the music, they feel the mood of the instruments and do a pretty good job putting the right emotion into it, even if at times they may not understand the lyrics completley.

 Also what makes Therion different is there isn't a lot of emotion in the music. Which I think is good in that its different but sometimes can leave you wanting more. The lyrics aren't about love, romance, beauty, sin, pain, heartbreak, sorrow. They are mostly about spiritual and occult things from a mostly intelectual very masculine perspective. Some songs have connection, perenial sophia, Call of Dagon etc. have some emotion. but compared to Nightwish, Leaves Eyes, or other bands of that nature, not a lot. So I suppose this type of lyric is more suited for singers who aren't as familiar with the emotion and meaning behind it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2007, 07:20:47 AM »
Thanks again!

Blackrose, I can see the point you’re making with the singers. I’m a singer in a band as well (just a hobby, nothing professional :-)) and I usually write the lyrics of our songs myself. I wouldn’t like to sing a song that I  could not relate to; when we do a song that we didn’t write ourselves, I at first have to take a good look at it and find my own meaning / interpretation of it in order to make it feel right. But then, I think, it works; just as you said before, it can get very emotional even if the singer hasn’t written the lyrics her/himself, one just has to establish some kind of relationship to the song (although it still is not the same, of course).

And Marcus, thanks, I think I will definitively have to go searching in the vaults of the forum…  :wink:

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2007, 08:35:58 AM »
If you had taken the time to also write the title of the songs ...
Humm... topic subject is Ginnungagap -- the opening song. So at least, this one.

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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2007, 03:55:59 PM »
I actually did a paper on influence of Wagner on metal and especially Therion. I had a part of it focused on the album, I still have it somewhere I'll try and find it to see if there's anything useful to you.

As for the questions; SOTR is my personal favorite from Therion. The use of the vocalists is superb and done to perfection. The unique skills and sounds of each vocal range adds great emotion to the songs. The soprano could sing a fifth lower in places but don't mention that  :wink: The unique use of Swedish with the basses goes very well, it adds the mystery in Ginnungagap. The song itself has  a lot of power, the portrayal of creation of the universe, the rivers of Nifel and fires of Muspel are portrayed in the song as well as birth of Ymir and Audumla.

I'm at school now and I can't remember every detail of the song but if I've time tonight I'll go into detail on what I think. I hope it helps :-).

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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2007, 09:55:11 AM »
Hi Einherjer

Sorry for not reacting earlier, I haven't checked the forum for a while as I'm doing some research on another band now (don't laught at me, it's Manowar... :wink: ).
It would be very nice if you could give me some more information on what you wrote in your paper, it sounds very interesting :)

As you mention the rivers of Nifel and the fires of Muspel being portrayed in the song: did you note the correspondence between the lyrics and their musical realizaton? It's the Soprano that represents the cold world of Nifelheim ("Hail, flow of Vergelmer"), and the tenor/bass sings about the hot fires of Muspelheim ("Heat of creation, make the ice start to melt..."). The alt-voices then, as the voices in the middle, emphasize the combination of the cold and the hot, i.e. the creation of the universe ("Hail flow of Vergelmer, Heat of creation..."etc.). I think it's done quite nicely :)

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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2007, 02:13:28 AM »
About Ginnungagap... I like it and hate it at the same time.
What I don't like: the beginning - too fast, too heavy, too simple - I know it's supposed to represent chaos, but I don't like it
What I love: the solo (after 3:00), the trumpet and flute (or whatever wind instruments were used) until 4:14, the end

The solo is one of the many Therion parts that I feel transport me to another dimension. I close my eyes and drift away (no, I'm not using any drugs).

Except for that and Asgard (solo again) I don't like the SOTR album that much (compared to other albums), since it doesn't give me that dark, transcendental feeling other albums give me (Theli,Vovin, Crowning of Atlantis).

I mainly listen to Therion for the music, but sometimes I lookup the lyrics. About them, while I think they fit with the atmosphere and are felt at least by Christoffer, I don't like the fact that most of them seem somewhat predictable simple invocations or praise brought to the gods. I don't find much philosophical content in them, though I might be wrong.
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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2008, 08:21:24 AM »
A little too late to help with the poster's paper, but it looks like this turned into a "let's all review SOTR" so what the hell, I'll put in my two cents.  I didn't really know what to make of SOTR when I first listend to it.  Overall it sounded like a mellow CD so I started listening to it when I went to sleep.  And I still do.  Every night, this is what I drift off into dreamland with...which is odd considering I have actually listened to it at other times of the day and evening and some of the songs (as you will see from my review) are actually pretty heavy and loud.  Overall, this has become one of my favorites.


1. GINNUNGAGAP: Starts out very atonal.  “Fall deep in the void/In the black hole of nothing” – the lyrics pretty much describe what it SOUNDS like.  Overall, the music and lyrics give the impression of nothing becoming something.  Personally, it drags on too long for my liking. 

2. MIDGARD: This one stays interesting because of all the time changes.  The chorus in the middle (“Let’s defend Midgard…”) is SO beautiful.  Actually, the female vocals on this one are all really stunning and are a big reason I like this one.

3. ASGARD: One of my favorite tracks.  The guitar riffing sounds almost Middle Eastern, and the melodies and harmonies on the choruses are just exquisite.  For some reason, they always remind me of Winter.  I don’t know why.

4. JOTUNHEIM: One of my LEAST favorites, it’s sluggish but pretty.  The problem for me with this one is that there’s really no hooks there to reel me in.

5. SCHWARZALBENHEIM: Another favorite, I love this one because it’s just so big and boisterous.  I think someone else mentioned a tank?  Well that’s exactly what it sounds like…a huge tank rumbling toward you.  Totally freaking epic! 

6. LJUSALFHEIM: Big yawn here.  It just sounds too disjointed.  It’s like the CD has lost momentum now.

7. MUSPELHEIM: At first I thought this one was just plain weird but then it really grew on me and now it’s another one of my favorite tracks.  It’s like when the last person you expect to see sneaks up on you and surprises you and then you jump with joy.  I had this one up on my MySpace page for quite a while because it was short and I got a kick out of some of the reactions it got from my friends: 
 - "What the hell was that?!!”
 - “OK, well, that was weird”
 - “Hmmm, interesting…”
 - “Since when do you like opera?”
 - “It’s strange! I love it!  What is it?!! I want it too!”


LOL!

8. NIFELHEIM: The only thing I like about this one is that weird marching male chorus of “Jormundgand! Nidhogg!”  and the strange little flute sound behind it.  The rest of it is just a train wreck.

9. VANAHEIM: This is the song currently playing on my MySpace page so yeah, it’s safe to say I really like this one a lot.  I like the contrasting vocals, the melody stays in your head long after the song is over and the harmonies are GORGEOUS.  Me likey!!!

10. HELHEIM: I don’t know about this one.  It seems like its trying too hard.   Melodies, harmonies and riffs all over the place, it’s like I need to take Ritalin for all the distractions.

11. SECRET OF THE RUNES: Now here’s a song that just gets right to the point and says “Listen to ME!”  There’s enough hooks here to catch a school of fish and the choir sounds amazing.  If I was listening to this in an opera house, I’d stand up and give them an standing ovation. 
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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2008, 02:47:43 PM »
Hi DiaBoLiCa

You were not too late! Although I've almost finished my paper I'm still hanging around in the forum from time to time. So I saw your post and could still make use of it...

Many thanks to all  :-)

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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2008, 04:52:50 PM »
I've been a Therion listener for many years now and a SOTR listener since its very release date. Still, yesterday I plugged it in my car stereo and...

WOW!! How powerful it sounds (with a powerful stereo, at max volume!!)... The effect is hipnotizing, I had to take extra care because I unconsciously went speeding up and racing on the streets while singing out loud! (performing actually hehe)

Very few albums produce such effect in me. SOTR is probably my favorite album ever. Every single song is a hit (some of them are still more perfect than others: Midgard, Schwarz, Ljusalfeim... By the way Midgard is so underrated IMO!! I consider it one of the most perfect songs ever composed, so varied, so lyrical, so beautiful...

EVERYONE MUST READ THIS: it's an ancient post, one of the first of the new forum, where I praise SOTR and Christofer Johnsson personally THANKS ME!!!! Can you believe that??? See for yourselves.

http://www.megatherion.com/forum/index.php/topic,967.msg42526.html#msg42526



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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2008, 06:16:29 AM »
I've been a Therion listener for many years now and a SOTR listener since its very release date. Still, yesterday I plugged it in my car stereo and...

WOW!! How powerful it sounds (with a powerful stereo, at max volume!!)... The effect is hipnotizing, I had to take extra care because I unconsciously went speeding up and racing on the streets while singing out loud! (performing actually hehe)

Very few albums produce such effect in me. SOTR is probably my favorite album ever. Every single song is a hit (some of them are still more perfect than others: Midgard, Schwarz, Ljusalfeim... By the way Midgard is so underrated IMO!! I consider it one of the most perfect songs ever composed, so varied, so lyrical, so beautiful...

EVERYONE MUST READ THIS: it's an ancient post, one of the first of the new forum, where I praise SOTR and Christofer Johnsson personally THANKS ME!!!! Can you believe that??? See for yourselves.

http://www.megatherion.com/forum/index.php/topic,967.msg42526.html#msg42526





Wow, that was cool that Christofer responded to you. 

It's interesting to read old posts -- and interviews with the band -- when they talk about what the "new" or "next" CD will sound like or what the concept will be because we now have the luxury of time and hindsight. And then the band's comments make sense. 

Did that make any sense?  LOL.
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Re: SOTR and Ginnungagap revisited
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2009, 08:59:58 PM »
I know this is old and not of any more help to the first poster but I had never really liked SOTR much until lately.I have really grown to like this album this summer and have listed to it over and over.I finally got all the lryics together for the songs in different languages and since it is only 48 long it is a great album to listen to when i run (about 45 minutes a day 6 days a week).Ginnungagap does have a nice big bass sound in the beginning and the "void" between fire and ice is filled with a flood of music (water).I like the drums the most on this  album the most and have grown to like the fuzz jazzy guitars when kristian was just becominhg a full blown metal player.It is a nice rediscovaay for me.
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