Topic: New therion album 2010 ?

[mick75]

As the gigs in Mexico are scheduled in June. That means we can expect a new album this spring.

Will be ther a single ? a digital one ? If yes, it could be nice if, the same day, every therion fans buy such single to bring therion at the top of the chart.

Do you think it's a good idea ?  I will arrange a group on facebook.

[Hatecraft]

As the gigs in Mexico are scheduled in June. That means we can expect a new album this spring.

Will be ther a single ? a digital one ? If yes, it could be nice if, the same day, every therion fans buy such single to bring therion at the top of the chart.

Do you think it's a good idea ?  I will arrange a group on facebook.

Apart from being absurd, yes, it's not a bad idea.

[mick75]

mmmm. you can consider this as absurd. However, such kind of "thing"/"call" has been made in the Uk in 2009 and the band (I think it's rage against the machine) gets n°1.

[Hatecraft]

mmmm. you can consider this as absurd. However, such kind of "thing"/"call" has been made in the Uk in 2009 and the band (I think it's rage against the machine) gets n°1.

It's not completely impossible, and even if they don't get number 1, they can at least get close to it. But it's still too hard. It depends on the albums released closed to it.

[Ole Markus With]

mmmm. you can consider this as absurd. However, such kind of "thing"/"call" has been made in the Uk in 2009 and the band (I think it's rage against the machine) gets n°1.

I think RATM has slightly larger fanbase than Therion :p  I mean, the re-issue of Killing in the Name of sold something like over 500 000 thousand copies alone.
Most singles that make it into the charts probably sell more in one month than a Therion single will sell in total.

[blackrose]

I remember some years ago Christofer Johnson said he doesn't like to release singles. Even though they did it in the old days. One factor is obviously the sales are not high enough to justify it, well they could do it if they wanted to the sales aren't that low but its not really of any big profit. Secondly they aren't a commercial band and all that. They don't write "hit" songs and then lots of filler songs. Though I guess sometimes it can come out that way I think perennial sophia was their GK hit.

Nor do I think they could ever hit #1. You have two approaches: you can try to appeal to the masses and sell as much as possible. Or you can write music that you personally would want and that maybe appeals only to a certain group of people- but has lower overall popularity- which would be Therion. I think if they tried to hit #1 they would have to lower the complexity of the music and take out the unique qualities.

I do think the fans should do more to promote Therion such as calling in radio stations for airplay and such things. I think Therion would sell a lot more if they had more advertisement. Especially in the U.S.

Here all the music is mainly like black style music that is popular (other than oldies). Rage against the machine one example. It's some kind of reggae, rap style, metal fusion. Which I like their music but that's like all you ever hear is rap and that kind of fusion. When working in retail I played the music I like, including Therion and such and lots of people were like "what band is this?" they really liked it, but neer had been exposed to it. Same with classical music. People tend to like it but they are only exposed to lame classics, or not at all and its not really advertised or promoted or anything.

[mick75]

I remember some years ago Christofer Johnson said he doesn't like to release singles. Even though they did it in the old days. One factor is obviously the sales are not high enough to justify it, well they could do it if they wanted to the sales aren't that low but its not really of any big profit. Secondly they aren't a commercial band and all that. They don't write "hit" songs and then lots of filler songs. Though I guess sometimes it can come out that way I think perennial sophia was their GK hit.

I completly understand such position but the market has changed a little bit as now it is easy (I think and perhaps I'm wrong) to release only a digital single. Look in the USA, singles are release in digital prior to a physical release).

Then, it is sure that in the USA, UK, Therion would not be #1st even if all therion's fan would buy a single during the same wook. But, in some other countries, and for example in France, a band can be #1st with only  3500 copies sold (it is the case this week with Lady Gaga). So I let you imagine if the French Therion fans would buy the same single during the same week. Therion could be  first.

[blackrose]

I tried to get Therion to do all sorts of things like that. Like for instance just sell mp3s directly on their web-site. But they are old fashioned with everything.

[Ole Markus With]

I tried to get Therion to do all sorts of things like that. Like for instance just sell mp3s directly on their web-site. But they are old fashioned with everything.

This is not true. It is the technical limitations that prevents the Therion Store from making digital music available.

[blackrose]

Yeah contracts and such. The record company takes care of most of the legal stuff and distribution and they just make records!

[The One]

I don't know about you, Rosie, but I personally like to have booklets and the physical CD.
Like honestly, there's nothing like the smell of a fresh CD booklet with lyrics and album info.

[smetsar]

I agree with that! All this mp3 stuff is so dull and meaningless in my opinion.

[Misch]

Digital downloads? In FLAC format only, otherwise give the CD......

[Ole Markus With]

Yeah contracts and such. The record company takes care of most of the legal stuff and distribution and they just make records!

No. Not legal issues. Technical issues. As in downloading digital audio consumes a lot of bandwidth and it is difficult to who bought what without shitty things like DRM.

I don't know about you, Rosie, but I personally like to have booklets and the physical CD.
Like honestly, there's nothing like the smell of a fresh CD booklet with lyrics and album info.

Actually, physical media is losing popularity fast. The convenience and easy distribution of digital content on the web has made services like Spotify become the new market for people looking for music. Disregarding Internet distribution would be foolish. But as far as I know, NB has a store where you can buy MP3's.

Digital downloads? In FLAC format only, otherwise give the CD......

Loss-less codecs are out of the question. The bits/information is way too high. Requires a lot of resources for near-zero gain compared to a decently encoded ogg/vorbis or even mp3 file.

[Blackthrone]

As the gigs in Mexico are scheduled in June. That means we can expect a new album this spring.

Will be ther a single ? a digital one ? If yes, it could be nice if, the same day, every therion fans buy such single to bring therion at the top of the chart.

Do you think it's a good idea ?  I will arrange a group on facebook.

I am also a big fen of the Therion singles but I doubt they will do it again

[blackrose]

Well I know like Amazon gives mp3s in 320 kbs which is as high as it goes and nearly the same as CD quality but not too big of a file. Typically I buy every new release with Therion. But like I recently lost my music collection and the free downloads I find are usually 128 kbs which sounds barely listenable. So I like downloads because they are quicker and cheaper. I will usually buy a download of a band that I don't like as much, like a few songs off the demoid album, or buy downloads of albums I already have but lost (it just costs too much to keep rebuying the same album).

You can buy Therion mp3s on amazon. Though alduruna rediviva is album only so you can't download it.

[Misch]

Loss-less codecs are out of the question. The bits/information is way too high. Requires a lot of resources for near-zero gain compared to a decently encoded ogg/vorbis or even mp3 file.

  i know, I know, just putting my vote out there. It is my preference at home on a media server(after I have purchased the cd), I transcode to lossy formats for use in my car and on my mp3 player.

[Blackthrone]

Well I know like Amazon gives mp3s in 320 kbs which is as high as it goes and nearly the same as CD quality but not too big of a file. Typically I buy every new release with Therion. But like I recently lost my music collection and the free downloads I find are usually 128 kbs which sounds barely listenable. So I like downloads because they are quicker and cheaper. I will usually buy a download of a band that I don't like as much, like a few songs off the demoid album, or buy downloads of albums I already have but lost (it just costs too much to keep rebuying the same album).

You can buy Therion mp3s on amazon. Though alduruna rediviva is album only so you can't download it.

buying downlads is one of the stupidiest things rosia 
dont ask me why )

[blackrose]

No you can't pirate like you used to. All the free mp3 I get are 128k and are barely good enough to listen to. Once in a while I find one that sounds good but it's so much work getting a whole album of good mp3s might as well pay the 99 cents for them. I miss the old days you could find a lot of rare and underground stuff that was out of print and download anything you wanted. They keep shutting down all the good sites.

[Ole Markus With]

No you can't pirate like you used to. All the free mp3 I get are 128k and are barely good enough to listen to. Once in a while I find one that sounds good but it's so much work getting a whole album of good mp3s might as well pay the 99 cents for them. I miss the old days you could find a lot of rare and underground stuff that was out of print and download anything you wanted. They keep shutting down all the good sites.

I like to subscribe to the idea that people actually want to buy music when it is convenient and good enough. I think the music market is approaching this stage. Especially with services like Spotify. Spotify make even pirating music inconvenient.

[blackrose]

Yeah eactly. On Amazon you give them your credit card number one time then you can instantly buy anything you want. You click download and immediately it downloads the song and charges your account. You can even preview most of the songs before you buy them. Then the mp3 is top quality. 99 cents really isn't much money. Though when you have 3,000 songs like I did I guess it can add up.

[Blackthrone]

Yeah eactly. On Amazon you give them your credit card number one time then you can instantly buy anything you want. You click download and immediately it downloads the song and charges your account. You can even preview most of the songs before you buy them. Then the mp3 is top quality. 99 cents really isn't much money. Though when you have 3,000 songs like I did I guess it can add up.

оr if something is not  good enough for buying on a cd you can always spend few minutes to have a look into the torrents and find anything you want.
then with the these cents, cent by cent you can get a readl cd in a while, i.e. smarter

[Ole Markus With]

Yeah eactly. On Amazon you give them your credit card number one time then you can instantly buy anything you want. You click download and immediately it downloads the song and charges your account. You can even preview most of the songs before you buy them. Then the mp3 is top quality. 99 cents really isn't much money. Though when you have 3,000 songs like I did I guess it can add up.

оr if something is not  good enough for buying on a cd you can always spend few minutes to have a look into the torrents and find anything you want.
then with the these cents, cent by cent you can get a readl cd in a while, i.e. smarter

Actually, Spotify is much more simple. For free (ad based) you get 128kbit streams from most of the bands out there (including every single NB album). For some $10 you get 320kbit streams and the ability to transfer songs to iPhone or Android-based devices. Everything you need music-wise in good quality in one place.

[Majestic Beast]

I still find buying mp3 stupid. It isn't hard for you to find mp3 in good or acceptable quality, whether in p2p or host sites.

And to tell you the truth, I can't see the reason why it has to be in its full quality. I mean, I can't hear the difference between 260 and 320. Seems that some people can even see a 1kb difference. Anyway... 

[blackrose]

go ahead an tell me where. all I can find are 128k mainly. You can't get anything on limewire and such anymore.

[Ole Markus With]

Are you stupid? Don't encourage illegal downloads in a band forum. http://www.spotify.com

[deathmetalpat]

mmmm. you can consider this as absurd. However, such kind of "thing"/"call" has been made in the Uk in 2009 and the band (I think it's rage against the machine) gets n°1.

I think RATM has slightly larger fanbase than Therion :p  I mean, the re-issue of Killing in the Name of sold something like over 500 000 thousand copies alone.
Most singles that make it into the charts probably sell more in one month than a Therion single will sell in total.

I think there was some kind of reason for all those downloads.It had to do with outselling some talent show winner's song in England.It is like the "American Idol" thing in America where everyones picks the worst singer and votes for them to win because the show is the most evil thing to happen to music here ever.Simon is the worst export ever will the people of england please take his douche ass back.

[Majestic Beast]

Sorry, I should've used the private message. Sometimes I forget my location.

[Hatecraft]

So, about the title of the album. It seems we are back to the Kabbalah. As far as I know, Sitra Ahra (also spelled Sitra Achra) means "The other side". It is supposed to be the entity from which all evil emanates according to the Zohar. It is one of the controversial manifestations of Kabbalistic duality (which is usually seen as a monotheistic net of knowledge). It is also supposed to have some connection with free-will, or at least the gift of free-will is supposed to be the reason why there is evil in the world.

The Sitra Ahra may be a metaphor for the left-hand path of philosophy, in my opinion (but we never know what's coming from Therion, I'm just sharing a very raw interpretation!).

Wikipedia, for instance, has some information on it

I'm expecting great things from both Therion and Thomas Karlsson.

And I hope we have at least one Lovecraft-themed song.

[blackrose]

a) I don't do much illegal downloading. I bought every therion album exept the first 3. My computer broke and somehow I lost my backups. I have some CDs but I have a crappy netbook with no CD player to rip them.

b) i was right. I will have to resurect my threat about my vision. That sounds really interesting though. Maybe the lyrics have been taken to a new interesting level. They were starting to get boring for me after x amount of albums with the same kind of lyrics. I like GK where it had more positive spiritual lyrics though. No there's no way we could have guessed that name.