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Wine of Aluqah
« on: January 25, 2005, 08:13:00 PM »
I do a study of everyone of the songs that I play in guitar... now I'm doing Wine of Aluqah and I need your interpretation of these lyrics...
 
 At first... what means and in which language is this:
 
 El-Awer Talbis Iblis Gulshan-i Raz Zat i- Shaitan Ya Zat-i Shaitan
 
 ??
 
 I was reading Angels & Demons (from the autor of Code Da Vinci... a little bit written like a "best seller") and there I read  that   shaitan    means: enemy   in arabian...??
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2005, 08:32:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Black_Rose:
  I was reading Angels & Demons (from the autor of Code Da Vinci... a little bit written like a "best seller") and there I read  that   shaitan    means: enemy   in arabian...??
I think this is more a question for the guys at the TS, but perhaps (  :offtopic:  ?) you may take a look at the Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses. On the second chapter, Rushdie makes a very poetic introduction of Shaitan... which actually becomes a character on the book.
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2005, 09:57:00 AM »
Those words roughly mean "go wild the devil Shaitan"
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2005, 06:05:00 PM »
That song is ridiculously good.  :)
 
 It has such a dark, evil feel to it, yet at the same time is very invigorating.
 
 Are the lyrics in Arabic, then?
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 10:39:00 AM »
Yes they are in Arabian
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2005, 12:16:00 AM »
Wrong. They might be in Turkish, but I can tell you they are NOT in arabian. And if they're not in Turkish, then they're shit.
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2005, 07:04:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Black_Rose:
 I was reading Angels & Demons (from the autor of Code Da Vinci... a little bit written like a "best seller") and there I read  that   shaitan    means: enemy   in arabian...??
That guy writes fiction....how can you trust anything he says?
 
 And Haioth, where is your proof?
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2005, 09:16:00 AM »
They are in Arabian because one Arab living in Croatia told me so and said what it roughly means.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2005, 02:55:00 PM »
Strange because I know many arabs and they all told me it wasn't arabic.
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2005, 03:06:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Black_Rose:
 I was reading Angels & Demons (from the autor of Code Da Vinci... a little bit written like a "best seller") and there I read  that   shaitan    means: enemy   in arabian...??
That guy writes fiction....how can you trust anything he says?
 
 And Haioth, where is your proof? [/b]
I read the introductions of the books, where the author says what's true and what is not.
 
 And in the fiction part, that guy isn't very brilliant. When u r reading Da Vinci Code, you ae waiting an Xpectacular ending.... but I think the author was afraid of writing something very.... impossible and NO-real...
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2005, 04:34:00 PM »
Hmm I think I need to clarify a few things about my posts here :
 
 Shaitan is actually the "Adversary" (what it means litteraly) in Muslim as well as Kabbalistic mythos. (Although the Kabbalah doesn't give it the highest title among the demons or whatnot)
 
 Iblis is considered to be a different aspect of the same entitity...
 
 The words that make me say "this is crap" is the other words in the sentence... Any arab will tell you Shaitan and Iblis they know of, but the rest of the lyrics are not words in Arabian... but as I said, they might be in Turkish, because the Turks took the names Shaitan and possibly Iblis, and created their mythology including them... I've been told they couldn't translate everything of the Qur'an and so made up other parts or something... I'd have to check back my sources on this last part though...
 
 Anyway, the point is that it is a doubtful (yet again) sentence using "real" names of beings in mythologies which make it look rather cool and well-written... Black Rose... just a thought... but maybe you would prefer understanding the exact meaning of a statement before making it your signature? Anyway, it's just something I wouldn't do, feel free to use any signature you want...
 
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2005, 05:00:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Haioth Hakodesh:
  Hmm I think I need to clarify a few things about my posts here :
 
 Shaitan is actually the "Adversary" (what it means litteraly) in Muslim as well as Kabbalistic mythos. (Although the Kabbalah doesn't give it the highest title among the demons or whatnot)
 
 Iblis is considered to be a different aspect of the same entitity...
 
 The words that make me say "this is crap" is the other words in the sentence... Any arab will tell you Shaitan and Iblis they know of, but the rest of the lyrics are not words in Arabian... but as I said, they might be in Turkish, because the Turks took the names Shaitan and possibly Iblis, and created their mythology including them... I've been told they couldn't translate everything of the Qur'an and so made up other parts or something... I'd have to check back my sources on this last part though...
 
 Anyway, the point is that it is a doubtful (yet again) sentence using "real" names of beings in mythologies which make it look rather cool and well-written... Black Rose... just a thought... but maybe you would prefer understanding the exact meaning of a statement before making it your signature? Anyway, it's just something I wouldn't do, feel free to use any signature you want...
 
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Heheh... That part of the song has a magnetism that’s making effect on me… that’s why I wanted analize first that words… their sense in my signature it’s only … visual?? (or sonor, if who see that, sings it ..   :D
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2005, 08:03:00 PM »
I understand you, though, I do also love that part of the song...
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2005, 09:57:00 AM »
Sheitan/Shaitan is Iblis of Moslems or Devil himself.He was also a god of the Yezidis.
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2005, 07:35:00 PM »
... Rather useful, your comment, Ahriman.   :p
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2005, 01:02:00 PM »
Yeh, but what's Aluqah, who's the old man of the mountain, and what I'm sayin' when I'm singing about "the secret smoke of Gods"    ???  :afraid:  
 
 thank you all 4 answering
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2005, 06:12:00 PM »
Wine Of Aluqah is name for menstrual blood in occultism.Old man in the mountain is Hassan the man who was the leader of assassins 900 years ago and who said legendary statement "nothing is true everything is permitted" which is basis for philosophy of chaos magic.Secret smoke of God is one way of using menstrual blood as incense
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2005, 07:23:00 PM »
Ahmmm  :roll:  ... who wants drink a cup of wine of aluqah??
 
 When the song says "Drink the wine of Aluqah..." Drink, it's a literal action or another metaphor??   :afraid:
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2005, 07:37:00 PM »
but  that things are in Angles and Demons or Da Vinci Code...   :roll:
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2005, 12:35:00 AM »
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  but  that things are in Angles and Demons or Da Vinci Code...    :roll:  
That Da Vinci Code book seems to be quite doubtful...haven't read it,but I've heard it's just inventions from the author...
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2005, 12:01:00 PM »
Wine Of Aluqah you drink it literally   :D   It is not metaphoric statement
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2005, 04:32:00 PM »
Persephone: Well... I'm only saying where I'm finding similirities...   :D        You never drank Wine of Aluqah really??  :roll:
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2005, 04:34:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Haioth Hakodesh:
  I understand you, though, I do also love that part of the song...
Yeh, you understood me.
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2005, 09:58:00 AM »
Of course I did   :D   Although it tastes terrible it is necessary in some forms of sexual magic
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2005, 10:07:00 AM »
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  Of course I did    :D    Although it tastes terrible it is necessary in some forms of sexual magic
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2005, 12:47:00 PM »
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  Of course I did    :D    Although it tastes terrible it is necessary in some forms of sexual magic
mmmm.... We've got a very "digestive" conversation here...mmmmm. I'm getting hungry.
 *** leaves to get a chocolate bar ***
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2005, 09:40:00 PM »
It doesn't taste that bad.......you just need someone that is willing to give you a taste.
 
 A technique I learned (from the same sort of situation) is get your tongue really covered in saliva and just use it to transfer the stuff down your throat. Usually there is little to no taste.
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2005, 04:23:00 AM »
To Ahriman and Crono: You're sick...
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2005, 05:59:00 AM »
Well let's not be scared of words, here... it's not anything guys haven't tasted a few times in their life : Blood and... the few other juices that come from that place in particular (cause there are youngsters around)... Only then they're mixed together! It's like making that yummy orange sauce with ketchup and mayo!   :angel:
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Re: Wine of Aluqah
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2005, 06:23:00 AM »
Num num! Now you are making me hungry!
 
 *goes off in search of willing female*
 
   :evil:
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