Topic: Wine of Aluqah

[iad baltoh]

Originally posted by Sadric:
  For all I can recall, humans massacre their own species and abuse nature from the dawn of civilization, regardless of their religion, race, sex etc.    :angry:  
 Blaming on someone or something else than human greed and hypocricy encourages the continuation of destruction ad infinitum.   :ar15:  
 Living in the middle of West and East (and vice versa), I have realized that the only thing that hasn't yet inspired war is Art, even though pop and the rest of this crap makes me beserk...   :cussing:  

my greek friend the reason for war-reason for different nations being-reason for borders-reason for religions are all related each other.you must ask yourself if there is a solution for stop the war+destruction,or in a peace time is it always possible to not to start a war.history gives us the answers:there will be always war and then hate,and then peace(but war still continues with different ways not by guns...but with politics,sport,culturel activities+or with terror),then again war...fire and gunpowder can't be in the same place

[Ahriman]

There will be no new era without destruction of the old society structures,religions and the like.They are a setback.Look world today religious wars are at large in many parts of the world.

[iad baltoh]

Originally posted by Ahriman:
  There will be no new era without destruction of the old society structures,religions and the like.They are a setback.Look world today religious wars are at large in many parts of the world.

war for religion,territory,sources.. these are only the reasons.and these reasons will always change by time but the wars will remain like now.buldings,structures,armies can be destroyed but human natural mind never changes,he will found a new land,find a religion,bult armies for security,meet new countries...and fight,cause we all want to be strong(in money,culture,army,sport.)like the civilization p.c game.a never ending repeating story.

[Bigboss]

Originally posted by iad baltoh:
   

Originally posted by Ahriman:
  There will be no new era without destruction of the old society structures,religions and the like.They are a setback.Look world today religious wars are at large in many parts of the world.

war for religion,territory,sources.. these are only the reasons.and these reasons will always change by time but the wars will remain like now.buldings,structures,armies can be destroyed but human natural mind never changes,he will found a new land,find a religion,bult armies for security,meet new countries...and fight,cause we all want to be strong(in money,culture,army,sport.)like the civilization p.c game.a never ending repeating story. [/b]

I must say, this thread is pretty interseting. I've  read it through and there has been quiet few interesting arguments.
 It pretty pathetic to see how Relgion is an excuse for everything that goes wrong, and when it goes right the 'head figure' is thanked (like pope, etc..).
 
 This endless struggle against who is strongest and survival of the fittest is getting sillier by the day. Sports are the only place where you should be able to compete... and now, war is a sport to some people.

[Sadric]

Originally posted by iad baltoh:
   

Originally posted by Sadric:
  For all I can recall, humans massacre their own species and abuse nature from the dawn of civilization, regardless of their religion, race, sex etc.     :angry:    
 Blaming on someone or something else than human greed and hypocricy encourages the continuation of destruction ad infinitum.    :ar15:    
 Living in the middle of West and East (and vice versa), I have realized that the only thing that hasn't yet inspired war is Art, even though pop and the rest of this crap makes me beserk...    :cussing:  

my greek friend the reason for war-reason for different nations being-reason for borders-reason for religions are all related each other.you must ask yourself if there is a solution for stop the war+destruction,or in a peace time is it always possible to not to start a war.history gives us the answers:there will be always war and then hate,and then peace(but war still continues with different ways not by guns...but with politics,sport,culturel activities+or with terror),then again war...fire and gunpowder can't be in the same place [/b]

[Sadric]

Originally posted by iad baltoh:
   

Originally posted by Sadric:
  For all I can recall, humans massacre their own species and abuse nature from the dawn of civilization, regardless of their religion, race, sex etc.     :angry:    
 Blaming on someone or something else than human greed and hypocricy encourages the continuation of destruction ad infinitum.    :angry:  And that guy is ready to convience us that we want to steal each other's copy of Lemuria ! :crazy:
 We are humans, but we are still animals... So the battle rages on.

[Franz]

Mind you that the term 'war' means an (escalated) armed conflict. It is not right in my opinion to say that war continues in sports. Yes, there is competition, also after a war, but not war (if one doesn't count the hooligans). I really hate it when people use the term war for anything that has competition in it.

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by Franz:
  Mind you that the term 'war' means an (escalated) armed conflict. It is not right in my opinion to say that war continues in sports. Yes, there is competition, also after a war, but not war (if one doesn't count the hooligans). I really hate it when people use the term war for anything that has competition in it.

When you compete in anything your reptilian part of the brain,the R complex,takes over and you are at "war".That part of the brain controls territorialism and ritual behaviour so when you compete your brain thinks that you are at some kind of war.So man is an animal in the sense that he has part of the brain responsible for "animal behaviour".It is what we are on inside.Of course we can fight against that with civilization,but in the times of urgence and need the animal inside will awake again which is proven by studying reactions of modern man to extreme situations.In such situations modern man reacted as the most brutal and merciless animal proving that you can shut your inner beast but not permanently.

[Sadric]

Originally posted by Ahriman:
 

When you compete in anything your reptilian part of the brain,the R complex,takes over and you are at "war".That part of the brain controls territorialism and ritual behaviour so when you compete your brain thinks that you are at some kind of war.So man is an animal in the sense that he has part of the brain responsible for "animal behaviour".It is what we are on inside.Of course we can fight against that with civilization,but in the times of urgence and need the animal inside will awake again which is proven by studying reactions of modern man to extreme situations.In such situations modern man reacted as the most brutal and merciless animal proving that you can shut your inner beast but not permanently. [/b][/QUOTE]
 
 What are you meaning when you are referring to the

[BloodDaemon]

I think that he refers to the most primitive part of the brain, the cerebellum, the amigdala, etc. The remainers of our reptilian past in our brain, the innermost core of the brain.

[Franz]

Originally posted by Ahriman:
  When you compete in anything your reptilian part of the brain,the R complex,takes over and you are at "war".That part of the brain controls territorialism and ritual behaviour so when you compete your brain thinks that you are at some kind of war.So man is an animal in the sense that he has part of the brain responsible for "animal behaviour".It is what we are on inside.Of course we can fight against that with civilization,but in the times of urgence and need the animal inside will awake again which is proven by studying reactions of modern man to extreme situations.In such situations modern man reacted as the most brutal and merciless animal proving that you can shut your inner beast but not permanently.

That's just another explanation. To keep things clear I think it's easier to keep mine, as yours means that different people look upon it differently, which leads to the problem that sometimes for one person there is no war and for the other there is. Hard to determine.

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by BloodDaemon:
  I think that he refers to the most primitive part of the brain, the cerebellum, the amigdala, etc. The remainers of our reptilian past in our brain, the innermost core of the brain.

Exactly.

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by Franz:
   

Originally posted by Ahriman:
  When you compete in anything your reptilian part of the brain,the R complex,takes over and you are at "war".That part of the brain controls territorialism and ritual behaviour so when you compete your brain thinks that you are at some kind of war.So man is an animal in the sense that he has part of the brain responsible for "animal behaviour".It is what we are on inside.Of course we can fight against that with civilization,but in the times of urgence and need the animal inside will awake again which is proven by studying reactions of modern man to extreme situations.In such situations modern man reacted as the most brutal and merciless animal proving that you can shut your inner beast but not permanently.

That's just another explanation. To keep things clear I think it's easier to keep mine, as yours means that different people look upon it differently, which leads to the problem that sometimes for one person there is no war and for the other there is. Hard to determine. [/b]

I think you missed my point.I just wanted to say that deep inside and because of natural reasons,there is potential beast in man.

[Unholyvoid]

el-a'awer, talbis iblis.
 gulshan-i raz. zat-i shaitan
 ya zat-i shaitan
 
 I am a Turk.
 And this lyrics is old Turkish.Not Arabic!!!
 So we can say Ottoman Language.
 
 Shaitan/Iblis = Satan/Devil

[Ahriman]

Translate  

[Viru]

Originally posted by Unholyvoid:
  el-a'awer, talbis iblis.
 gulshan-i raz. zat-i shaitan
 ya zat-i shaitan
 
 I am a Turk.
 And this lyrics is old Turkish.Not Arabic!!!
 So we can say Ottoman Language.
 
 Shaitan/Iblis = Satan/Devil

Translate dude    we don't understand turkish language only if u want   :devious:

[TheOFFman]

Originally posted by Unholyvoid:
  el-a'awer, talbis iblis.
 gulshan-i raz. zat-i shaitan
 ya zat-i shaitan
 
 I am a Turk.
 And this lyrics is old Turkish.Not Arabic!!!
 So we can say Ottoman Language.
 
 Shaitan/Iblis = Satan/Devil

Then translate that. BTW I really love to sing that part!

[Kusaros]

Originally posted by TheOFFman:
 Then translate that. BTW I really love to sing that part!

Me too!  

[starless_aeon]

Originally posted by Haioth Hakodesh:
  Well let's not be scared of words, here... it's not anything guys haven't tasted a few times in their life : Blood and... the few other juices that come from that place in particular (cause there are youngsters around)... Only then they're mixed together! It's like making that yummy orange sauce with ketchup and mayo!    :angel:  

Originally posted by Crono:
  It doesn't taste that bad.......you just need someone that is willing to give you a taste.
 
 A technique I learned (from the same sort of situation) is get your tongue really covered in saliva and just use it to transfer the stuff down your throat. Usually there is little to no taste.

Dude,you don't know what the f*ck you are saying.
 As a woman myself,I can't even stand the smell of it...

[Odin]

Im an arab guy and my native lang. is(for sure) is arabic so
 the wine of aluqah`s first part is indeed not arabic 100% how could that be !    
 el-a`awer:this is arabic means elaawer el dajjal
 or the dajjal  ask ahreman about him  

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by ODIN:
  Im an arab guy and my native lang. is(for sure) is arabic so
 the wine of aluqah`s first part is indeed not arabic 100% how could that be !        
 el-a`awer:this is arabic means elaawer el dajjal
 or the dajjal  ask ahreman about him      

Thanks for this.So it is some kind of mix of Turkish and Arabic language.

[BlackSwans]

Well i know arabic also, so here goes
 
 El-A'awer. Talbis Iblis.
 Gulshan-i Raz. Zat-i Shaitan
 Ya Zat-i Shaitan.
 
 ---------------------------
 El-A'awer = No effin clue, Odin says its AntiChrist, not sure bout that
 Iblis = Devil
 Talbis = Posses
 So the first line could be Something Posses the Devil, n it cna't be AntiChrist really so i wonder
 Searching the web i found this messed up website
 http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/rit_invlust.html
 
 in it: El-A-Awer, Penis-genii of the Moslems which made me go :   :stupid:  
 
 Found this on the net, not sure what language its in exactly but meh maybe somone here does
 http://www.rpg.hu/listak/magus/kellekek/therion.html
 ---------------------------
 The second line:
 here is where things get REALLY messed up not sure its arabic anymore so maybe tmrw am too sleepy
 
 Therion do say their Fanclub has the translation ... meh

[Deuce]

Okay, I first got into Therion because of the music, and think Wine of Aluqah is a great song.  However, the lyrics do intrigue me, as well as those of their other songs.  Go ahead and laugh, but in the previous posts I saw things like I hope its not part of DR, Chris is a member of DR.  
 
 What does DR stand for?  Devil or Demonic ...?
 
 Ahriman -- you have a lot of knowledge.  Is there one book you suggest to read about these subject matters with no intent to practice the black arts?  A glossary type /dictionary style book would be great in regards to all subject matter in occultism/mythology, etc... which seems to inspire the lyrics of Therion songs.  I would believe a lot of the people on this forum would be interested in such a book.

[Markus]

Hi Deuce,
 
 DR is short for Dragon Rouge, an order whose ideas have greatly inspired Therion's lyrics. Browsing their website should clear up some of your questions regarding the lyrics. Beside that, you'll find a lot of information in the Therion society.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Markus

[Deuce]

Markus,
         Thanks for teh response and web link.  It was indeed helpful.

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by Deuce:
  Ahriman -- you have a lot of knowledge.  Is there one book you suggest to read about these subject matters with no intent to practice the black arts?  A glossary type /dictionary style book would be great in regards to all subject matter in occultism/mythology, etc... which seems to inspire the lyrics of Therion songs.  I would believe a lot of the people on this forum would be interested in such a book.

Read books by Kenneth Grant (Cults Of The Shadow and Magical Revival) and Michael Ford (The Book Of Witch Moon and Liber HVHI).There are no books that are dictionary type but you can try this www.occultopedia.com

[Deuce]

Thanks for the help!

[DonnieDarko]

hi, although it

[Steampunk]

I actually came here today to post the meaning of the lyrics (atleast the english ones).
 
 I was messing around wikipedia and saw the quote "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." and it sounded rather familiar...
 
 Apon remembering why and reading about who said it, the song makes sense now.
 
 The song is about arabic assassins and partly about this man:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_i_Sabbah
 
 
 

Drink the Wine of Aluqah and breathe the secret smoke of God.
 Intoxicated by the green shadows of the Paradise.

"Hassan ibn as-Sabba conditioned and organized a band of fearless political killers such as had never been seen before. His method of indoctrination was unique. He constructed a secret garden and furnished it with all the delights promised in the Qur'ān to the faithful when they reached paradise. chosen were drugged, one or two at a time, and taken to this garden by night. When they woke up in the morning they were surrounded by beautiful and scantily clad women who would minister to their every need and desire. After being allowed to savor this false — but pleasant and sensual — paradise for a day or so, they were again drugged before being taken back to awaken in their own squalid hovel or cave dwelling. To them, it was as if it had been a vivid dream. H

[Ahriman]

Steampunk this was already explained in the topic.