Author Topic: Therion and ancient languages? (Read 11065 times)

Anima Draconis · « **on:** November 25, 2003, 06:53:00 PM »

Using akkadian and other ancient languages really deepens the mysteriousness of Therion. I like that!! But what language would you like to hear next? I personally would like to hear very much something like old finnish from Kalevala or more latin.
by the way I have been wondering what language is sung in Enter Vril-ya. what is it???

Ymer · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2003, 07:43:00 PM »

I agree with you about having ancient languages it keeps you interested on the band and it makes you to read more the lyrics and to find out what they are all about, I

nightbird · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2003, 03:12:00 PM »

It seems to me like some form of Persian, but of course some words are actually names..You can find more about Vril-ya if you search on it at the net -if you don't know what that is.

Typhonic Dreamer · « **Reply #3 on:** November 28, 2003, 02:37:00 AM »

Enochian. Need Enochian.

vidak · « **Reply #4 on:** November 28, 2003, 11:30:00 AM »

And what about verse in Draconian trilogy, part 2?
O Typhon Apep Lothan,
O Drakon O Typhon Apep Lothan

And

Lepaca Draconis Nox Tarados.
Draconis Nox is definetly Latin (mening Draconian Night), But i haven't found Lepaca and Tarados in any dictionary.

Anima Draconis · « **Reply #5 on:** November 28, 2003, 12:30:00 PM »

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Lepaca Draconis Nox Tarados.
Draconis Nox is definetly Latin (mening Draconian Night), But i haven't found Lepaca and Tarados in any dictionary

I think that lapaca is hebrew. It's a spirit or something.
Draconis Nox is latin, but i think it should be like Nox Draconis (Latin word order) mening Dragon's Night or Darkness of the dragon. Dragon's lepaca doesn't sound right.
And i think that Tarados is also a hebrew spirit. I don't know for sure.

Atemporis · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2003, 09:58:00 PM »

I want a lot more hebrew in Therion's languages. After all, Qaballah and Qliphoth are all based on Hebrew, not to mention demonology

Elferien · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2003, 10:58:00 PM »

I think i saw somewhere that lepaca would mean "bring forth" not sure though

Elferien · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2003, 11:04:00 PM »

ok. seems i was wrong, it is some hebrew demon

nightbird · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2003, 09:26:00 PM »

Lepaca means 'Hail', or something like a greeting form.

As for enochian language, there are many enochian dictionaries over the net. Good hunting and translating!

Mandrak · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2003, 10:39:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Vidak Kavedzic:
But i haven't found Lepaca and Tarados in any dictionary.

You can find Tarados in any Portuguese dictionary

Leo Bart · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2003, 11:18:00 PM »

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You can find Tarados in any Portuguese dictionary [/QB]

Haha, you may bet it. Indeed, I'm one of them.

vidak · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2003, 01:26:00 PM »

So what does it mean?

DasModell · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2003, 06:06:00 PM »

i now no portugues .. but does it mean .. bull

i mean . i does seem similar . to the romanian . Taur

Leo Bart · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2003, 11:35:00 PM »

No, I think you won't find Tarados in a portuguese dictionaire written in Portugal, we probably only use it here in Brazil (bull="touro").

Morrighan · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2004, 04:13:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Vidak Kavedzic:
And what about verse in Draconian trilogy, part 2?
O Typhon Apep Lothan,
O Drakon O Typhon Apep Lothan

And

Lepaca Draconis Nox Tarados.
Draconis Nox is definetly Latin (mening Draconian Night), But i haven't found Lepaca and Tarados in any dictionary.

I know it's an old topic

About the verses

"O Typhon Apep Lothan,
O Drakon O Typhon Apep Lothan"

Apep is an egyptian huge serpent which tried to disrupt the passage of the solar barque of Ra, the sun god. In some myths, Apep was an earlier and discarded sun-god himself. So it was the beast trying to get back the power it once had. Typhon comes from greek mythology - it is another fearful beast which attempted to defeat Zeus.

So Drakon, Typhon, Apep, Lothan are different mythological creatures with the same characteristics. They all represent one single concept.

Ahriman · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2004, 05:44:00 PM »

HDHM and Lepaca Kliffoth use Enochian language which is employed for rituals usually to evoke spirits.Song Melez has part of evocation of demon Astaroth from handbook of black magic from 1517 called Grimorium Verum.

Ahriman · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2004, 05:47:00 PM »

Lepaca Kliffoth means "glory to the Kliffoth".
The name Kliffoth has been used in occultism to name demons.

Markus · « **Reply #18 on:** June 26, 2004, 10:12:00 PM »

Hi,

in "Vril, The Power of the Coming Race" by Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton a highly developed civilization is described which lives inside the earth and uses a powerful force named "Vril". The society of those who can control this Vril is called "Vril-ya". In one chapter their language is described: "An", for instance, means "man", so "An Sumer An Drakon" would translate as "Man of Sumer, man of Drakon". Reading that chapter thoroughly you probably could translate the whole passage.

I suppose the author made up the language himself, but I

heimdall · « **Reply #19 on:** June 28, 2004, 08:48:00 PM »

some bastard on a review site said

"UTHaRK RUNA SOUNDS NICE i LIKE THE WHOLE EGYPTIAN/ARABIC THEME"

The ignorance of some fools!

Markus · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2004, 10:56:00 PM »

Hell Heimdall,

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Originally posted by heimdall:
some bastard on a review site said

"UTHaRK RUNA SOUNDS NICE i LIKE THE WHOLE EGYPTIAN/ARABIC THEME"

But the bastard is right! The music sounds oriental. The topic, well, where exactly do the runes come from?

Seriously, I did wonder why they chose such oriental themes for such a nordic topic.

Cheers!

Markus (Ingvar by middle name, btw)

Ahriman · « **Reply #21 on:** June 29, 2004, 10:20:00 AM »

Song Enter Vril Ya has Enochian language if I remember correctly.Therion uses Arabic language quite often.Dragon Rouge is working with Middle Eastern lore that is the reason for such songs.Therion is one of the few bands who really know something on occultism.

Markus · « **Reply #22 on:** June 29, 2004, 12:32:00 PM »

Thanks, Ahriman,

in that case Bulwer-Lytton didn't invent the language for his novel but also used Enochian.

Cheers!

Markus

Ahriman · « **Reply #23 on:** June 29, 2004, 12:36:00 PM »

Lytton was member of occult order known as Golden Dawn so it would not be surprising that his Vril is actually Enochian they sound quite similar.

wancass · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2004, 03:51:00 PM »

Do someone know what language is sung in The Cults of the Shadow? (My favourite song...) And what does

"LUDUL BEL NIMEQI EA
NARAMTU DIANAU APSU"
and
"LA TAPALLAH PULUTHU
UTUKKE LEMNUTI APKALLU"
and
"ERSET LA TARI KI-UTU-KAM
ADAPA BARU SAR KISSATI
ZIQQURRAT KUTHA PET PI GIRRU
ERSET LA TARI KI-UTU-KAM
SUBIGO INIMICUS"

mean?

(Or some part of them.)
Thx.

The Gnostic · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:59:15 PM »

Isnt Enochian itself a made up langauge? invented by John Dee?

Samael · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2007, 06:49:00 PM »

Quote from: wancass

Do someone know what language is sung in The Cults of the Shadow? (My favourite song...) And what does

"LUDUL BEL NIMEQI EA
NARAMTU DIANAU APSU"
and
"LA TAPALLAH PULUTHU
UTUKKE LEMNUTI APKALLU"
and
"ERSET LA TARI KI-UTU-KAM
ADAPA BARU SAR KISSATI
ZIQQURRAT KUTHA PET PI GIRRU
ERSET LA TARI KI-UTU-KAM
SUBIGO INIMICUS"

That would also be Akkadian. Some parts are also included in the SotW, if I recall correctly, though original translation should be available to TS members only.

P.S. Google it

Kurenai Schwarz · « **Reply #27 on:** July 15, 2007, 01:39:06 AM »

Well, there's not much sense in "making it avaliable only for TS" at this point, since it had already been leaked.

Anyway, I think that Quetzalcoatl would be definitely perfect if the chorus was sung in Quechua or any other Mayan language instead Spanish.

Samael · « **Reply #28 on:** July 15, 2007, 02:33:23 PM »

Quote from: Kurenai Schwarz on July 15, 2007, 01:39:06 AM

Well, there's not much sense in "making it avaliable only for TS" at this point, since it had already been leaked.

Yeah, that's true but I (or anybody else) don't want to find myself guilty for bringing the information here without... permission. Also, I left a little hint so wancass should be able to find it by himself.

Kurenai Schwarz · « **Reply #29 on:** July 15, 2007, 03:05:45 PM »

I don't think they'll bother about it - it doesn't require much intelligence to check google when you want to find a song's lyrics.

But mods - if it's a problem, just edit the post, with my apologies.