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at last about Melek Taus
« on: July 15, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
So I like to ask another question (guess it may be more difficult than those bout Eiwar).
 It’s about song “Melek Taus”:
 1) Azael – could it be Azazel?
 2) What is the meaning of such phrase as “melek al Kawat, ask whose guest shall the Sanjak be?” and “Sheik Adi, Yezid - Say Hol hola!”
 3) What’s about “Mount Lalesh” and “As behre Azide Sarum!"
 
 It would be great if someone could help me.
 With respect
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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2004, 08:15:00 AM »
http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/azazel.asp  
 
 That is all about Azazel, but I'm not so sure, since Melek Taus is supposed to be Lucifer, but a good guy Lucifer. So how could a demon give birth to an angel?
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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2004, 09:25:00 AM »
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Originally posted by sanctus:
  So I like to ask another question (guess it may be more difficult than those bout Eiwar).
 It’s about song “Melek Taus”:
 1) Azael – could it be Azazel?
 2) What is the meaning of such phrase as “melek al Kawat, ask whose guest shall the Sanjak be?” and “Sheik Adi, Yezid - Say Hol hola!”
 3) What’s about “Mount Lalesh” and “As behre Azide Sarum!"
 
 It would be great if someone could help me.
 With respect
Actually Melek Taus also known as Sheitan or Ahriman is neither Azazel nor Azael because it is much older that that.That kind of attributions came later.
 Sanjak is sacred bronze figure of the peacock-one of the symbols of Melek Taus.Melek Taus means Peacock King.
 Sheik Adi Yezid is man who dictated first written copy of Al Jilwah or Black Book Of Sheitan.Book is on religious beliefs and magic of Yezidis.
 Hol Hola is form of salutation.
 Mount Lalesh is one of the 7 sacred mountains of Yezidi.Each of them had tower of Sheitan on it and the top was built like a dome.They were ritual centers of the Yezidis.Lalesh was in Kurdistan and one was all the way into Russia.
 As Behre Azide Sarum is one of common phrases of Yezidi I am not certain about what it means exactly.

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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2004, 11:04:00 AM »
well, thanks to Ahriman
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2004, 01:03:00 PM »
Glad I could help.

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2004, 02:39:00 PM »
I would like to add that Yezids were guys who lived in Caucasus (Russia). And so their god was Yezidis!
 
 P.S. Gurdjieff was born somewhere in Caucasus and his 'voyage', so to say, started from contacting with yezids.
 
 correct me if i am wrong  :D
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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2004, 02:41:00 PM »
To Ahriman
 
 Where do you get these great amounts of info?
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2004, 03:29:00 PM »
From books and personal experience.I have been in occultism for 10 years now and staying in there.You information is not correct Yezidi are the tribe Sheitan was their god.Gurdjieff was familiar with Yezidis you are correct on that.

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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »
hej, Ahriman! Mozes mi mozda preporuciti neku knjigu okultizma?? Neka koja obuhvaca stvari malo opcenitije, jer sam pocetnik... Takodjek ak bi znal koju web adresu?? Thnx!
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2004, 09:12:00 AM »
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  hej, Ahriman! Mozes mi mozda preporuciti neku knjigu okultizma?? Neka koja obuhvaca stvari malo opcenitije, jer sam pocetnik... Takodjek ak bi znal koju web adresu?? Thnx!
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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2004, 09:43:00 AM »
Hi folks,
 
 
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Originally posted by Kali:
  hej, Ahriman! Mozes mi mozda preporuciti neku knjigu okultizma?? Neka koja obuhvaca stvari malo opcenitije, jer sam pocetnik... Takodjek ak bi znal koju web adresu?? Thnx!
What about books on occultism and web addresses? My Croation is not as good as yours... Please post in English or use PMs - I
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2004, 09:48:00 AM »
You understand Croatian   :D   He asked me to recommend to him sites and books on magic and occultism.I proceeded to ask in private message whether he is interested in white or black magic or genera occultism.If you have questions feel free to ask   :D

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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2004, 10:01:00 AM »
Hi Ahriman,
 
 well, honestly I don
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2004, 10:07:00 AM »
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  Hi Ahriman,
 
 well, honestly I don

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2004, 11:08:00 AM »
My apologies, Markus. When I see someone from my country in this forum I just can't ressist    :)
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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2004, 05:10:00 AM »
*holds up hand*
 
 I'm interested in Black Magick.....and a little White...but Black is just so much more interesting.
 
 Cept I'm a silly Canadian with no other languages tucked away.    :afraid:
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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2004, 06:02:00 AM »
ja dumayu mi mogli bi tak vot slavno pogovorit  :)
 
 (guess we could have a nice talking : ) )
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2004, 07:48:00 AM »
Zdravo brate Sanctus   :D  
 Crono of course that black magic is more interesting only from darkness you can see things correctly.

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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2004, 02:52:00 PM »
I tebe krepkogo zdravija, Ahriman!
   :)
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2004, 03:18:00 PM »
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  I tebe krepkogo zdravija, Ahriman!
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I respect your opinion sanctus   :D

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2004, 03:27:00 PM »
Something from mentioned Al Jilwah.
 CHAPTER I
 
 I WAS, AM NOW, AND SHALL HAVE NO END. I EXERCISE DOMINION OVER ALL CREATURES AND OVER THE AFFAIRS OF ALL WHO ARE UNDER THE PROTECTION OF MY IMAGE. I AM EVER PRESENT TO HELP ALL WHO TRUST IN ME AND CALL UPON ME IN TIME OF NEED. THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE THAT KNOWS NOT MY PRESENCE. I PARTICIPATE IN ALL THE AFFAIRS WHICH THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT CALL EVIL BECAUSE THEIR NATURE IS NOT SUCH AS THEY APPROVE. EVERY AGE HAS ITS OWN MANAGER, WHO DIRECTS AFFAIRS ACCORDING TO MY DECREES. THIS OFFICE IS CHANGEABLE FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION, THAT THE RULER OF THIS WORLD AND HIS CHIEFS MAY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THEIR RESPECTIVE OFFICES EVERYONE IN HIS OWN TURN. I ALLOW EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THE DICTATES OF HIS OWN NATURE, BUT HE THAT OPPOSES ME WILL REGRET IT SORELY.
 
 NO GOD HAS A RIGHT TO INTERFERE IN MY AFFAIRS, AND I HAVE MADE IT AN IMPERATIVE RULE THAT EVERYONE SHALL REFRAIN FROM WORSHIPPING ALL GODS. ALL OF THE BOOKS OF THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT ARE ALTERED BY THEM; AND THEY HAVE DECLINED FROM THEM, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE WRITTEN BY THE PROPHETS AND THE APOSTLES. THAT THERE ARE INTERPOLATIONS IS SEEN IN THE FACT THAT EACH SECT ENDEAVORS TO PROVE THAT THE OTHERS ARE WRONG AND TO DESTROY THEIR BOOKS.
 
 TO ME TRUTH AND FALSEHOOD ARE KNOWN. WHEN TEMPTATION COMES, I GIVE MY COVENANT TO HIM THAT TRUSTS IN ME. MOREOVER, I GIVE COUNCIL TO THE SKILLED DIRECTORS, FOR I HAVE APPOINTED THEM FOR PERIODS THAT ARE KNOWN TO ME. I REMEMBER NECESSARY AFFAIRS AND EXECUTE THEM IN DUE TIME. I TEACH AND GUIDE THOSE WHO FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTION. IF ANYONE OBEY ME AND CONFORM TO MY COMMANDMENTS, HE SHALL HAVE JOY, DELIGHT AND COMFORT.
 CHAPTER II
 
 I REQUITE THE DECENDANTS OF ADAM, AND REWARD THEM WITH VARIOUS REWARDS THAT I ALONE KNOW. MOREOVER, POWER AND DOMINION OVER ALL THAT IS ON EARTH, BOTH THAT WHICH IS ABOVE AND THAT WHICH IS BENEATH, ARE IN MY HANDS. I DO NOT ALLOW FRIENDLY ASSOCIATON WITH OTHER PEOPLE, NOR DO I DEPRIVE THEM THAT ARE MY OWN AND THAT OBEY ME OF ANYTHING THAT IS GOOD FOR THEM. I PLACE MY AFFAIRS IN THE HANDS OF THOSE WHOM I HAVE TRIED AND WHO ARE IN ACCORD WITH MY DESIRES. I APPEAR IN DIVERSE MANNERS TO THOSE WHO ARE FAITHFUL AND UNDER MY COMMAND.
 
 I GIVE AND TAKE AWAY; I ENRICH AND IMPOVERISH; I CAUSE BOTH HAPPINESS AND MISERY. I DO ALL THIS IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTERISTICS OF EACH EPOCH. AND NONE HAS A RIGHT TO INTERFERE WITH MY MANAGEMENT OF AFFAIRS. THOSE WHO OPPOSE ME I AFFLICT WITH DISEASE; BUT MY OWN SHALL NOT DIE LIKE THE SONS OF ADAM THAT ARE WITHOUT. NONE SHALL LIVE IN THIS WORLD LONGER THAN THE TIME SET BY ME; AND IF I SO DESIRE, I SEND A PERSON A SECOND OR THIRD TIME INTO THIS WORLD OR INTO SOME OTHER BY THE TRANSMIGRATION OF SOULS.
 CHAPTER III
 
 I LEAD TO THE STRAIGHT PATH WITHOUT A REVEALED BOOK; I DIRECT ARIGHT MY BELOVED AND CHOSEN ONES BY UNSEEN MEANS. ALL MY TEACHINGS ARE EASILY APPLICABLE TO ALL TIMES AND ALL CONDITIONS. I PUNISH IN ANOTHER WORLD ALL WHO DO CONTRARY TO MY WILL.
 
 NOW THE SONS OF ADAM DO NOT KNOW THE STATE OF THINGS THAT IS TO COME. FOR THIS REASON THEY FALL INTO MANY ERRORS. THE BEASTS OF THE EARTH, THE BIRDS OF HEAVEN AND THE FISH OF THE SEA ARE ALL UNDER THE CONTROL OF MY HANDS. ALL TREASURES AND HIDDEN THINGS ARE KNOWN TO ME; AND AS I DESIRE, I TAKE THEM FROM ONE AND BESTOW THEM UPON ANOTHER.
 
 I REVEAL MY WONDERS TO THOSE WHO SEEK THEM, AND IN DUE TIME MY MIRACLES TO THOSE WHO RECEIVE THEM FROM ME. BUT THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT ARE MY ADVERSARIES, HENCE THEY OPPOSE ME. NOR DO THEY KNOW THAT SUCH A COURSE IS AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS, FOR MIGHT, WEALTH AND RICHES ARE IN MY HANDS, AND I BESTOW THEM UPON EVERY WORTHY DECENDANT OF ADAM. THUS THE GOVERNMENT OF THE WORLDS, THE TRANSITION OF GENERATIONS, AND THE CHANGES OF THEIR DIRECTORS ARE DETERMINED BY ME FROM THE BEGINNING.
 CHAPTER IV
 
 I WILL NOT GIVE MY RIGHTS TO OTHER GODS. I HAVE ALLOWED THE CREATION OF FOUR SUBSTANCES, FOUR TIMES AND FOUR CORNERS; BECAUSE THEY ARE NECESSARY THINGS FOR CREATURES.
 
 THE BOOKS OF JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS, AS OF THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT, ACCEPT IN A SENSE, I.E., SO FAR AS THEY AGREE WITH AND CONFORM TO MY STATUTES. WHATSOEVER IS CONTRARY TO THESE, THEY HAVE ALTERED; DO NOT ACCEPT IT. THREE THINGS ARE AGAINST ME AND I HATE THREE THINGS. BUT THOSE WHO KEEP MY SECRETS SHALL RECEIVE THE FULFILLMENT OF MY PROMISES. THOSE WHO SUFFER FOR MY SAKE I WILL SURELY REWARD IN ONE OF THE WORLDS.
 
 IT IS MY DESIRE THAT ALL MY FOLLOWERS UNITE IN A BOND OF UNITY, LEST THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT PREVAIL AGAINST THEM. NOW, THEN, ALL YE WHO HAVE FOLLOWED MY COMMANDMENTS AND MY TEACHINGS, REJECT ALL THE TEACHINGS AND SAYINGS OF SUCH AS ARE WITHOUT.
 
 I HAVE NOT TAUGHT THESE TEACHINGS, NOR DO THEY PROCEED FROM ME. DO NOT MENTION MY NAME NOR MY ATTRIBUTES, LEST YE REGRET IT; FOR YE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT MAY DO.
 CHAPTER V
 
 O YEA THAT HAVE BELIEVED IN ME, HONOR MY SYMBOL AND MY IMAGE, FOR THEY REMIND YOU OF ME. OBSERVE MY LAWS AND STATUTES. OBEY MY SERVANTS AND LISTEN TO WHATEVER THEY MAY DICTATE TO YOU OF THE HIDDEN THINGS. RECEIVE THAT, THAT IS DICTATED, AND DO NOT CARRY IT BEFORE THOSE WHO ARE WITHOUT, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS AND OTHERS; FOR THEY KNOW NOT THE NATURE OF MY TEACHING. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR BOOKS, LEST THY ALTER THEM WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE. LEARN BY HEART THE GREATER PART OF THEM, LEST THEY BE ALTERED.

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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2004, 04:41:00 PM »
hm... sounds interesting
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2004, 04:59:00 PM »
I am glad that you find it interesting.

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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2004, 05:11:00 PM »
Ridiculous. And who is it that is supposed to have written this? A man, a god, or a wannabe?

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2004, 10:18:00 AM »
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  Ridiculous. And who is it that is supposed to have written this? A man, a god, or a wannabe?
Melek Taus himself.If you dont like it keep your comments to yourself there are people here who find it interesting.

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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2004, 12:07:00 AM »
Somebody should tell Melek Taus to take his hand off the shift key    :roll:  
 
 I mean, that was very interesting. It sounded like all the other "Gods" out there.
 
 "OBEY ME, AND YOU SHALL BE HAPPY AND RICH, ECT.
 DISOBEY ME, AND YOU SHALL DIE HORRIBLE DEATH BLAH AND BURN FOR ETERNITY!"
 
 Why don't we just call Melek Taus Jehovah, or Vishnu, or God, or Jesus.    :roll:
 
 
 What I want is not a God. I want an angel, or a demon, to follow what I say, and give me advice when I need/ask for it. God's are too self-centered, and without followers, they cease to exist. Angels and demons will always exist.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2004, 12:21:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Crono:
  Somebody should tell Melek Taus to take his hand off the shift key     :roll:    
 
 I mean, that was very interesting. It sounded like all the other "Gods" out there.
 
 "OBEY ME, AND YOU SHALL BE HAPPY AND RICH, ECT.
 DISOBEY ME, AND YOU SHALL DIE HORRIBLE DEATH BLAH AND BURN FOR ETERNITY!"
 
 Why don't we just call Melek Taus Jehovah, or Vishnu, or God, or Jesus.     :roll:  
 
 
 What I want is not a God. I want an angel, or a demon, to follow what I say, and give me advice when I need/ask for it. God's are too self-centered, and without followers, they cease to exist. Angels and demons will always exist.
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Re: at last about Melek Taus
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2004, 02:44:00 PM »
Well then.....I'll have to look into that one...  :roll:  
 
 But still!
 
 Gods = silly!
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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2004, 04:18:00 PM »
They are cosmic energies.Indians call Shiva  god-christians consider him demon so classification is dependable on beliefs systems of the persons.

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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2004, 11:30:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Crono:
  Somebody should tell Melek Taus to take his hand off the shift key     :roll:    
 
 I mean, that was very interesting. It sounded like all the other "Gods" out there.
 
 "OBEY ME, AND YOU SHALL BE HAPPY AND RICH, ECT.
 DISOBEY ME, AND YOU SHALL DIE HORRIBLE DEATH BLAH AND BURN FOR ETERNITY!"
 
 Why don't we just call Melek Taus Jehovah, or Vishnu, or God, or Jesus.     :roll:  
 
 
 What I want is not a God. I want an angel, or a demon, to follow what I say, and give me advice when I need/ask for it. God's are too self-centered, and without followers, they cease to exist. Angels and demons will always exist.
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